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Cleveland I´m ok with...Weeden would be what, 56?
Where does Walker see the Dolphins in 2015?
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Fans are so deluded. The media doesnt hate us or any team. We have simply sucked for a decade with no objective basis to expect differently three years from now.
We still have Ireland as GM and we hired an offensive coordinator who didnt even have play calling authority to be our head coach. An objective 3rd party has every reason ro believe we will continue to suck. Anything else is a fans wishful thinking.
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We still have Ireland as GM and we hired an offensive coordinator who didnt even have play calling authority to be our head coach. An objective 3rd party has every reason ro believe we will continue to suck. Anything else is a fans wishful thinking.
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This is really a non issue and a laughable argument. Do those of you that use this argument really believe that Philbin had nothing to do with the offense??? He was still offensive coordinator and thus put together the play book and game plans each week, handing McCarthy sets of plays that he would/could use/call. Dont get so diluted as to believe that Just because McCarthy called the plays Philbin had no input on, 1) the game plan, 2) those plays being called, or 3) the entire offense in general, because he did... Also, do you seriously sit there and believe that Philbin didnt learn ONE thing from McCarthy either, of which he can pass onto Sherman???
insomnia411
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There is a lot of positives to report on this season. The draft appears be very solid on paper and they finally took a young franchise quarterback in the 1st round to build around. They extended the contract of their best defensive player. People like you said Sparano was a big problem, well he is now gone. They hired a head coach(yes unproven, but all first time head coaches are) from a winning organization and was the architect of the Packers potent offense. No he didn't call plays on game day, but he designed the game plan. Philbin landing Mike Sherman as his OC was a home run. Richard Marshall was a solid pick up in free agency. Re-signing Solai was huge(pun intended). Bush had a breakout season last year, and is an offensive player to be very excited about in this new offense(assuming he stays healthy like he did last season).
If the Dolphins have a winning season, you and "the World" might be shocked, but I won't be. They have a new attitude, some nice additions in free agency and the draft, plus a cupcake schedule. Winning 9 games is something that definitely would not shocking.
At least we agree that ESPN's idea was stupid. Though if you are basing future rankings on past success and the current state of teams, that means nothing is ever going to change in the league. Doesn't matter if it is three years down the road or 20. That line of thinking is ridiculous.
Matt Moore and David Garrard are definitley not franchise quarterbacks, but they are not puke, disgusting or absolutely horrific as you put it. Moore was the 12th ranked QB last season and Garrard is just a few years removed from a Pro Bowl season. Again, not elite, but not really that bad either. Your not a fan of the Dolphins round pick? The world and I are shocked!
Are you sure you are not James Walker? You two seem to have the same misguided ideas.
They have a real quarterback? You mean Ryan Fitzpatrick? The guy that threw for 24 touchdowns, but a WHOPPING 23 interceptions last year? Led his team to a 6-10 record, with a team in your own words "have a better outlook than the Fins do". So Matt Moore in your opinion had a worse surrounding cast, but had almost twice as many touchdowns as interceptions and had a 6-6 record. Are real quarterbacks supposed to be worse than the bad quarterbacks?
The Bills do have some nice offensive weapons, I will give you that. They have Fred Jackson, who Reggie Bush outrushed. They have C.J. Spiller, who Daniel Thomas(a rookie) outrushed. They have Scott Chandler at tight end, who Anthony Fasano outperformed. They do have Steve Johnson, who the Dolphins(at this moment) don't have a player that compares to. The Bills are so much better on offense.
The Bills do have nice pieces on in the secondary, but the Dolphins have a much better overall defense.
Have to be right once, to be right again.
There was a lot of positive to report on? We lost (far and away) our best offensive player for a bag of practice balls and every other move you mentioned was a lateral move. Am I happy we fired Sparano? Hell yes. And am I hopeful about Philbin and the draft? Absolutely, but Philbin along with every other player we drafted is a completely unproven commodity. That's obviously not totally the case about the coach because he was a coordinator for a while, but you can't have high expectations for rookies to have a big impact.
Be realistic. Nobody on our offense scares anybody. If you take away Bush running to the outside and catching screens then there is absolutely no secondary threat. Our receiving corps is a total joke and (while I'm hopeful for Egnew) Fasano isn't scaring anybody down the seam. Plus, to consider Reggie Bush some tremendous player after having one pretty good year is a little premature. He ran for a little more than 1,000 yards and, much like the rest of the team, did nothing in the first half of the season until we started playing the Cheifs, Raiders and Bills etc. It's not like he dominated the league and scored 15 touchdowns. Relax with Reggie Bush.
As far as how you feel about Ryan Tannehill, I really don't have any idea how much of him you saw in college, but I personally was never a fan. Again, I hope I'm wrong and only time will tell, but we'll see.
As far as the Bills go, Ryan Fitzpatrick played the entire second half of the season with broken ribs, so that probably contributed a great deal to his (and the team's) slump. He's not a great QB, but he's pretty good and Fred Jackson is a monster. I'm glad you pointed out that Reggie Bush outrushed him, because he did outrush him... By about 150 yards in playing 5 more games and carrying the ball 46 more times. Not to mention the fact that if you add in receiving yards, Reggie Bush had a whopping 6 more yards from scrimmage than Jackson did in 5 more games.... Yeah. The combination of Jackson and Johnson with Fitz throwing them the ball is much more dangerous than what we have on offense right now.
I'm not saying that the Bills are some juggernaut or even MUCH better than the Dolphins. All I said was that it wouldn't be a stretch to suggest the Bills have a brighter outlook, which it isn't at all. We have a much better all around defense than the Bills do? No, they have a much better secondary and now with the additions of Mario Williams and Mark Anderson they have a better all around pass rush too. We're probably better up the middle but even that's debatable.
As to your final point, I happened to be right on the money about Sparano about 2 years before it was cool to hate him. Check the archives broski.
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Seems to me based on ESPN's phenominal credibility that you can put it in the bank that Miami will be a Top 5 team in 3 years.
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with Reggie Bush beating him in yards and TDs, it's tough to make the the argument that he was the better offensive player at all(let alone far and away the best)
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You think that Reggie Bush is a better player at his position than Brandon Marshall?
Reggie is a great pass catching back, he's very versatile, and he would be absolutely perfect on a team that didn't need to rely on running the ball. Some of you people act like he had some Marshall Fault like season last year, Bush played the whole season minus 1 game (healthiest season of his career) and only managed a little more than 1k yards as a feature back. Since when is that anything to write home about?
Go watch what Marshall did in Denver when he had somewhat competent quarterbacks and offensive minds getting him the ball. Go watch the game he had his last year in Denver against the Giants, it was freakish. You think its a coincidence that he came here and suddenly didn't look nearly as good? The numbers were comparable but the play on the field was supremely inferior to what he showed in Denver. We never used him properly, we never had good enough QB play to get him the ball down the field, and I would bet the house that he goes for AT LEAST 90 catches 1200 yards and 10 TDs now that he's back with Cutler.
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I'm not talking about talents, potential or reasons why someone underachieved. I'm saying Reggie Bush plainly out-produced Brandon Marshall last year so you can't say we lost our best offensive weapon.
also, I think it's possible the good out-weighs the bad in trading Marshall. Moore just said this week how nice it is not having to force the ball to "one guy" and I can definitely see Hartline and Bess being 75-catch receivers this year(Bess did it twice before Brandon). the offense has been dysfunctional for the last couple years and I believe #19 was a big part of that. heck, even Henne looked better before Brandon. with a smart plan and a better locker room, don't be surprised if they not only fail to miss Marshall, but improve in a big way on offense without him
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Look Ill be fair and wait and see with this team, but I have very low expectations. Particularly for the offense. I really think that trading Marshall was a huge mistake for 2 reasons.
1. We did not get fair value. My attitude towards this situation is that unless you get fair value, you keep the player. Its not like Marshall was a locker room disaster T.O. in Philly style and NEEDED to go. Two 3rd round picks is not good enough for a player of that caliber, if we couldn't do better we should have kept him.
2. I think that Brandon Marshall is a prototypical, and really ideal west coast offense receiver. He's like Keyshawn with a lot more speed and less (yet still some) bad attitude. He runs underneath routes, and slugo routes as good as anybody in the league, he gets yac as well as any receiver, and he goes up and gets through football...
Christ. Again, I'll wait and see and I hope yr right that we're better off without him, but I think it was a collosal error to dump him... I really don't know why we didn't try at all to replace him either, couldn't we have brought in Laurent Robinson or at least kicked the tires on Randy Moss? I understand that we're in a youth movement or whatever but isn't it the idea to field the best team possible and TRY to win as many games as possible every year?
Now I'm ranting, but again, these moves make no sense to me.
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The thing is that Brandon Marshall has all the physical ability in the world, his problems are from the neck up. Just like some players elevate those around them, he seems to drag everyone down
James who? Guys please stop putting this garbage on this site, because he dosen't know squat and he actually get paid for that jibberish.
They had him for 2 years and statistically he was worse with miami than he was with denver, plus if that third round pick becomes something special then what will you say? I was kinda shocked myself but hey let's move on please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!