Actually, what i was referring to was that we selected Greenwood with a 3rd round pick (from the Eagles) and we gave them our 2nd the following year. So, his value to us was a 3rd that we used on picking him and a 2nd we gave up to acquire the 3rd. But, I get your point about the picks.
What I don't understand is why youre so convinced he's been worth a 2nd so far. (I'm not saying he won't eventually be worth a 2nd, but it's certainly arguable at this point.) He plays on only about 45% of the snaps and he's yet to create any (or perhaps many) big plays. And, if you think that's solely because of the system, then that's begging more questions. Like, if our system doesn't need a dynamic LB at his spot, why are we constantly giving up 2nd round picks to fill it??? Same for the Seau trade. If our system doesn't require it, why spend so much money on a LB?
Bottom line: I think it's arguable that Greenwood has been worth his pick value. Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't. Same for Fletcher. But, you guys keep ignoring the main thrust of my argument. For many Dolphin fans, picks like Ben Kelly as a 3rd rounder in 2000 (not sure if Wanny was completely responsible, but he was here), Jamal Fletcher in the 1st, and Morlon Greenwood at the expense of a 2nd are extremely questionable. Personally, I think Travis Minor in the 3rd was a reach, especially considering he almost never plays. Now Turner and company are talking about leaving Williams in on 3rd downs, which further decreases Minor's value. I don't have to prove that all those picks are worthless. Indeed, that's not what I'm trying to prove. My point is that some Fin fans find those picks to have been devoid of the kind of value they want out of 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders. So, when answering the question at hand, I would say those picks are why some Fin fans don't necessarily trust Wanny.
But, I'd like to address something that was said earlier about those who aren't happy with the draft and how they will "shut up" when the team starts winning. I think that's just a bit juvenile. Would it mean that all the people who aren't happy with the draft were right if we don't win the Super Bowl next year? Or, get to the AFC Championship? Hardly. And, likewise, just because the team might win it all next year (God willing!) doesn't necessarily prove the picks in this year's draft were wisely spent. Hell, we don't even know yet who'll be around next year in the 2nd round when the Pats (crossing my chest with the sign of the cross at their evil name) use our 2nd round pick. Could be that the 2nd coming of Dan the Great will have fallen. Not likely, but possible. And, at that point, I don't think anyone would argue the pick was not wisely spent, especially if Moore turns out to be just an athletic body to use in special teams. But, like I said earlier, I hope he turns out to be Lawrence Taylor incarnate (except with the love for the white stuff...). And, for the record, I too think the Dolphins have one of the best teams in football. I think you have to put the Bucs first, but after them I'd say we're more than capable of holding our own with any team. And, I think we're playoff bound next year. I just wish some on this forum would drop the whole "you're either with us or again' us" routine. Open discussion and critique only ever hurt topics and bodies that had something to hide.
Go Phins!
