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Which AFC East QB, iz playing the Best?

When defenses play man and coverage is tight, Geno Smith is not only inaccurate but often misses the target badly. He can't read defenses and makes bad decisions even when not under pressure. He is not close to the QB Matt Moore is or Vick was early in his career, which doesn't say much. I am inclined to think that Rex wants to make the change but Idzik won't let him. Not going to get into the politics of that.

Brady is still the best QB and the guy I want. His issues stem from poor OL play and the Pats being to cheap to spend money to help him. He can no longer win the average talent around him. You know he's pissed since he took a lesser contract to spend more around him and Kraft screwed him.

Tannehill has had the best performances but considering how the other three are playing that's more an indictment on how badly all four have done thus far. I'll give Tannehill some leeway since he is only 4 games into a new offense.

A lot of you are discounting Kyle Orton to quickly. He's an upgrade to Manuel and all the Bills need is average QB play and they will be a good team. Don't count them out of it yet.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
stop getting your player evaluations from ESPN highlights. Atlanta won their division once in the 6 years that Vick was there. His 4 nearly full seasons resulted in 9, 11, 8, and 7 wins. Hardly a ton of wins. They won by running the ball and playing defense. It is not a coincidence that the year he threw the ball the least was the year they had the most success with him at QB.

He was also 1-3 to start the season last year before getting hurt and losing his job to Foles.

He was a great running QB but those days are long gone and the Jets are left with Vick the pocket QB and that just isn't very good.
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coming from you that's pretty damn funny.

Vick had one losing season in Atlanta, his last season at 7-9.

rookie in 2001, barely played. Atl was 6-8 w/o him.
first full year starting: 9-6-1, made playoffs for first time since 1998, became first opposing team to ever win a playoff game at Lambeau Field.
2003- hurt, only played 4 games. team went 5-11, was 2-10 w/o him and 3-1 w/ him,
2004 was healthy again. team was 11-5, 11-4 when Vick started, made NFC Championship Game.
2005 was 807 w/ him
2006 7-9.

38-28-1 as Atl starter. Other starters in those years were 9-20

he was 2-4 as a starter last year, one of the losses they lost 33-30. another the D gave up 52. this wasn't like Miami 2013 where the D did all they could to drag Ryan to postseason but he still blew it or like this year where the D is setting up Ryan on average near midfield for every scoring drive.

That was only the 3rd losing season of his career and 2 of them were partial seasons.
 
And since 2006 what has Vick accomplished?
 
nyjunc said:
coming from you that's pretty damn funny.

Vick had one losing season in Atlanta, his last season at 7-9.

rookie in 2001, barely played. Atl was 6-8 w/o him.
first full year starting: 9-6-1, made playoffs for first time since 1998, became first opposing team to ever win a playoff game at Lambeau Field.
2003- hurt, only played 4 games. team went 5-11, was 2-10 w/o him and 3-1 w/ him,
2004 was healthy again. team was 11-5, 11-4 when Vick started, made NFC Championship Game.
2005 was 807 w/ him
2006 7-9.

38-28-1 as Atl starter. Other starters in those years were 9-20

he was 2-4 as a starter last year, one of the losses they lost 33-30. another the D gave up 52. this wasn't like Miami 2013 where the D did all they could to drag Ryan to postseason but he still blew it or like this year where the D is setting up Ryan on average near midfield for every scoring drive.

That was only the 3rd losing season of his career and 2 of them were partial seasons.
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News flash, he has never been a good QB from the pocket and he is not the same athlete that he was 10 years ago. Look at his PRIME years in Atlanta when defenses figured him out and Atlanta was trying to make him a pocket QB:

11-4
8-7
7-9

Even you can see that pattern......

12 years into his career, there are still these articles:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1242403-philadelphia-eagles-can-michael-vick-be-a-pocket-quarterback

Vick, himself, admitted that trying to be a pocket passer was wrong:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2013/08/23/Vick-Media-QB
 
MadDog 88 said:
And since 2006 what has Vick accomplished?
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he has a division title but I agree, Vick isn't a sure thing. I am not saying Vick would be great but he has had success in this league- the other backups have not.

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FinfanInBuffalo said:
News flash, he has never been a good QB from the pocket and he is not the same athlete that he was 10 years ago. Look at his PRIME years in Atlanta when defenses figured him out and Atlanta was trying to make him a pocket QB:

11-4
8-7
7-9

Even you can see that pattern......

12 years into his career, there are still these articles:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1242403-philadelphia-eagles-can-michael-vick-be-a-pocket-quarterback

Vick, himself, admitted that trying to be a pocket passer was wrong:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2013/08/23/Vick-Media-QB
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what is your point? he has to be a good QB from the pocket to be a good QB? this game is about WINNING, he would make winning plays- something Ryan does not do.
 
Michael Vick is the most overrated quarterback I have ever seen in my life.

He's still the best QB on the Jets' roster, though.
 
nyjunc said:
what is your point? he has to be a good QB from the pocket to be a good QB? this game is about WINNING, he would make winning plays- something Ryan does not do.
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As you said yourself, he was 2-4 last season, which makes his replacement 8-2. If it helps you sleep at night to dream of Vick from 2002, fine.

I can tell when you are losing an argument by the increase in rhetoric.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
Michael Vick is the most overrated quarterback I have ever seen in my life.

He's still the best QB on the Jets' roster, though.
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I thought he was incredibly underrated in Atlanta.

FinfanInBuffalo said:
As you said yourself, he was 2-4 last season, which makes his replacement 8-2. If it helps you sleep at night to dream of Vick from 2002, fine.

I can tell when you are losing an argument by the increase in rhetoric.
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One of the losses he led his O to 30 pts, the other his D gave up 52 but yeah it was all about Vick. the same thing as what Ryan did last year:lol:

I don't lose often and it's never happened against you.
 
:snack:

Forum has now reached DEFCON 3. Junk has reached the stage in the argument where he begins flailing his arms around in a windmill-like motion. Here we go!
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
:snack:

Forum has now reached DEFCON 3. Junk has reached the stage in the argument where he begins flailing his arms around in a windmill-like motion. Here we go!
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I love this, you guys crack me up. he ahs no argument, I shredded his weak argument and he starts deflecting but I am the one "flailing my arms":lol2:
 
In a windmill-like motion.

[video=youtube_share;eGImAxOnzv0]http://youtu.be/eGImAxOnzv0[/video]

"I never lose!"
 
nyjunc said:
I thought he was incredibly underrated in Atlanta.



One of the losses he led his O to 30 pts, the other his D gave up 52 but yeah it was all about Vick. the same thing as what Ryan did last year:lol:

I don't lose often and it's never happened against you.
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The excuse meter is about to burst from over use.

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nyjunc said:
I love this, you guys crack me up. he ahs no argument, I shredded his weak argument and he starts deflecting but I am the one "flailing my arms":lol2:
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Rhetoric meter and excuse meter.....
 
man, you guys are showing me up. :lol2:

I love when people try to gang up on me and think they are getting something over on me. It amuses me.
 
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