Who are the top 5 Db's in the draft
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popularwar
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1. Michael Huff
2. Jimmy Williams
3.Antonio Cromartie
4.Tye Hill
5.Ko Simpson
Not a chance of Huff falling to us, but I'd gladly take Jimmy Williams from VT.
2. Jimmy Williams
3.Antonio Cromartie
4.Tye Hill
5.Ko Simpson
Not a chance of Huff falling to us, but I'd gladly take Jimmy Williams from VT.
That Actually all depends on who you ask.
My top 5 are
1. Michael Huff - Never fall to us Strengths: He has adequate height and is strong for his size. He possesses exceptional speed, especially for his size. He is a very good athlete at the safety position. He is versatile and can play a lot of different roles within a defensive scheme. He is heady and instinctive. He's as tough as it gets. Will fill hard vs. the run and does a good job getting through traffic. Has great range in run support and shows very good closing burst. He is a solid open-field tackler and packs a punch at the POA for a smaller DS. He has adequate size but plays a lot bigger than his measurables would indicate. He has become a punishing sideline-to-sideline run stopper. He has above average range and can continue to improve as he gets better adjusted to playing in so much space. He takes good angles to the ball and shows good closing quickness in coverage. Has above average man-to-man coverage skills for a DS. Has adequate ball skills. Will bat down a lot of passes and does a good job of fighting for the jump ball. He has great physical tools, mental makeup and tackling skills as a future special team's player in the NFL.
Weaknesses: Lacks ideal bulk as an NFL safety. Plays like a strong safety but will struggle to match up in the box at the NFL level. Needs to improve his body mass and lower body strength. He has decent but not great ball skills. Still needs to improve his recognition skills in deep coverage. Will be a bit late to diagnose every once in a while and will struggle to make up for it in the NFL like he does in college.
2. Jimmy Williams - Strengths: Has rare size/speed combination. A versatile prospect with experience at DC and FS. He is an ideal fit as a press cover corner in a man-to-man scheme. He is tall, has long arms and is strong for the position. He does a good job of pressing WRs at the LOS and taking them out of their routes. He is surprisingly fluid for such a tall DC. Shows the quickness, hips and top-end speed to turn and run with any WR in the NFL if he opens up in time. He shows very good closing burst when the ball is in the air. He is physical and challenges the jump ball. His size gives him a big advantage in the red zone. He has developed excellent ball skills and is a playmaker with the ball in his hands. He fills hard vs. the run and has outstanding potential as a run support DC. He is an aggressive player who will throw his body around and mix it up. He flashes some upside when turned loose on the blitz. Also has experience returning punts.
Weaknesses: Comes off as arrogant and seems to run a lot of people the wrong way. His effort is too streaky. Still has work to do in terms of his consistency in coverage. Will gamble too much and won't get away with it as easily in the NFL. His recognition skills and awareness must improve. Will get caught peeking in the backfield at times and will leave himself vulnerable. He is much more effective in man-coverage than he is in zone. He seems less comfortable in space and needs to improve his ability to read the QB's eyes. Lacks ideal instincts and discipline in zone coverage. Plays out of control at times and will miss too many tackles.
3. Tye Hill - Strengths: Is a track star turned DC. Has blazing speed and is the fastest DC in this class. He has extremely fluid hips. Can turn and run vertically with any WR in the NFL. Is extremely quick in his back pedal. He has explosive closing burst and can make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. Shows very quick feet and good lateral movement skills. He has good leaping ability (39-inch vertical) and will challenge for the jump ball. Is tough for his size. Won't back down from a challenge. His ball skills continue to improve. He's doing a better job of finding the ball in the air and adjusting to it. Is also a threat on the return if he gets daylight. He will fill hard vs. the run. Lacks size but has decent strength and is a fundamentally sound tackler.
Weaknesses: Lacks great experience at the position. Has made huge strides in terms of technique and recognition skills but still is too inconsistent and needs more polish. He is undersized. Lacks height and bulk. Has developed into a good run-support DC, but will occasionally get run over by bigger backs. He will have trouble matching up against bigger WR's in the NFL and may never be more than a slot-corner, as a result.
4. Jonathan Joseph - Strengths: A fast-rising prospect with explosive speed. Is a fluid athlete with very good initial quickness and COD skills. He shows the ability to turn-and-run without losing much in transition. Is quick out of his pedal and shows good closing burst. Is able to make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. He shows good leaping ability and will challenge for the ball in traffic. Possesses natural playmaking instincts and very good ball skills. Is aggressive in run support. Willing and fills hard. Shows adequate strength and is an efficient tackler in space. Has some experience as a return specialist and showed some promise in that area both as a PR and KOR.
Weaknesses: Lacks ideal playing experience. Only played one full season at DI-A level. Shows inconsistent technique. Comes out of his pedal too high at times and will get off balance in those instances. Has a tendency to gamble and jump routes prematurely. Looks less comfortable in zone coverage and must improve his overall awareness in that facet. Durability is a concern following broken foot in 2004.
Ko Simpson - Strengths: Possesses good upside. Lacks ideal bulk but has the frame to get bigger. Is a powerful player for his size. He fills hard versus the run and has developed into a solid open field tackler. He flashes some explosive power at the point of attack. Is a ball-hawk with playmaking instincts. Shows adequate range in coverage. Possesses adequate-to-good speed and shows good closing burst to the ball. Shows outstanding ball skills. Has enough quickness and natural athleticism to match up versus bigger receivers one-on-one. Physical and tough. Also has the skills and mentality to contribute covering kicks on special teams.
Weaknesses: Lacks ideal playing experience. Is still unpolished in terms of his overall technique and recognition skills. He can be over-aggressive at times and will get caught taking too many false steps vs. play-fake. He needs to play with more discipline. He lacks ideal bulk. Is aggressive and productive in run support but will struggle to get off of blocks as easily in the NFL. Does not possess the size to consistently match up "in the box". Needs to add bulk to his frame and improve his lower body strength.
The top 5 are mine and the Strengths and Weaknesses are from ESPN.
My top 5 are
1. Michael Huff - Never fall to us Strengths: He has adequate height and is strong for his size. He possesses exceptional speed, especially for his size. He is a very good athlete at the safety position. He is versatile and can play a lot of different roles within a defensive scheme. He is heady and instinctive. He's as tough as it gets. Will fill hard vs. the run and does a good job getting through traffic. Has great range in run support and shows very good closing burst. He is a solid open-field tackler and packs a punch at the POA for a smaller DS. He has adequate size but plays a lot bigger than his measurables would indicate. He has become a punishing sideline-to-sideline run stopper. He has above average range and can continue to improve as he gets better adjusted to playing in so much space. He takes good angles to the ball and shows good closing quickness in coverage. Has above average man-to-man coverage skills for a DS. Has adequate ball skills. Will bat down a lot of passes and does a good job of fighting for the jump ball. He has great physical tools, mental makeup and tackling skills as a future special team's player in the NFL.
Weaknesses: Lacks ideal bulk as an NFL safety. Plays like a strong safety but will struggle to match up in the box at the NFL level. Needs to improve his body mass and lower body strength. He has decent but not great ball skills. Still needs to improve his recognition skills in deep coverage. Will be a bit late to diagnose every once in a while and will struggle to make up for it in the NFL like he does in college.
2. Jimmy Williams - Strengths: Has rare size/speed combination. A versatile prospect with experience at DC and FS. He is an ideal fit as a press cover corner in a man-to-man scheme. He is tall, has long arms and is strong for the position. He does a good job of pressing WRs at the LOS and taking them out of their routes. He is surprisingly fluid for such a tall DC. Shows the quickness, hips and top-end speed to turn and run with any WR in the NFL if he opens up in time. He shows very good closing burst when the ball is in the air. He is physical and challenges the jump ball. His size gives him a big advantage in the red zone. He has developed excellent ball skills and is a playmaker with the ball in his hands. He fills hard vs. the run and has outstanding potential as a run support DC. He is an aggressive player who will throw his body around and mix it up. He flashes some upside when turned loose on the blitz. Also has experience returning punts.
Weaknesses: Comes off as arrogant and seems to run a lot of people the wrong way. His effort is too streaky. Still has work to do in terms of his consistency in coverage. Will gamble too much and won't get away with it as easily in the NFL. His recognition skills and awareness must improve. Will get caught peeking in the backfield at times and will leave himself vulnerable. He is much more effective in man-coverage than he is in zone. He seems less comfortable in space and needs to improve his ability to read the QB's eyes. Lacks ideal instincts and discipline in zone coverage. Plays out of control at times and will miss too many tackles.
3. Tye Hill - Strengths: Is a track star turned DC. Has blazing speed and is the fastest DC in this class. He has extremely fluid hips. Can turn and run vertically with any WR in the NFL. Is extremely quick in his back pedal. He has explosive closing burst and can make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. Shows very quick feet and good lateral movement skills. He has good leaping ability (39-inch vertical) and will challenge for the jump ball. Is tough for his size. Won't back down from a challenge. His ball skills continue to improve. He's doing a better job of finding the ball in the air and adjusting to it. Is also a threat on the return if he gets daylight. He will fill hard vs. the run. Lacks size but has decent strength and is a fundamentally sound tackler.
Weaknesses: Lacks great experience at the position. Has made huge strides in terms of technique and recognition skills but still is too inconsistent and needs more polish. He is undersized. Lacks height and bulk. Has developed into a good run-support DC, but will occasionally get run over by bigger backs. He will have trouble matching up against bigger WR's in the NFL and may never be more than a slot-corner, as a result.
4. Jonathan Joseph - Strengths: A fast-rising prospect with explosive speed. Is a fluid athlete with very good initial quickness and COD skills. He shows the ability to turn-and-run without losing much in transition. Is quick out of his pedal and shows good closing burst. Is able to make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. He shows good leaping ability and will challenge for the ball in traffic. Possesses natural playmaking instincts and very good ball skills. Is aggressive in run support. Willing and fills hard. Shows adequate strength and is an efficient tackler in space. Has some experience as a return specialist and showed some promise in that area both as a PR and KOR.
Weaknesses: Lacks ideal playing experience. Only played one full season at DI-A level. Shows inconsistent technique. Comes out of his pedal too high at times and will get off balance in those instances. Has a tendency to gamble and jump routes prematurely. Looks less comfortable in zone coverage and must improve his overall awareness in that facet. Durability is a concern following broken foot in 2004.
Ko Simpson - Strengths: Possesses good upside. Lacks ideal bulk but has the frame to get bigger. Is a powerful player for his size. He fills hard versus the run and has developed into a solid open field tackler. He flashes some explosive power at the point of attack. Is a ball-hawk with playmaking instincts. Shows adequate range in coverage. Possesses adequate-to-good speed and shows good closing burst to the ball. Shows outstanding ball skills. Has enough quickness and natural athleticism to match up versus bigger receivers one-on-one. Physical and tough. Also has the skills and mentality to contribute covering kicks on special teams.
Weaknesses: Lacks ideal playing experience. Is still unpolished in terms of his overall technique and recognition skills. He can be over-aggressive at times and will get caught taking too many false steps vs. play-fake. He needs to play with more discipline. He lacks ideal bulk. Is aggressive and productive in run support but will struggle to get off of blocks as easily in the NFL. Does not possess the size to consistently match up "in the box". Needs to add bulk to his frame and improve his lower body strength.
The top 5 are mine and the Strengths and Weaknesses are from ESPN.
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popularwar said:
I agree with that list. Cromartie and Williams should be there when we pick. I wouldn't actually be surprised to see Hill take a late Carlos Rogers-like jump to a team 11-15
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1. Michael Huff
2. Antonio Cromartie
3. Jason Allen
4. Jimmy Williams
5. Tye Hill
2. Antonio Cromartie
3. Jason Allen
4. Jimmy Williams
5. Tye Hill
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Jason Allen has shown by his workouts that he is fully healed from his hip injury. He has the best agility numbers at the combine and has the smoothiest hips in the drills besides Cromartie. I don't think Williams will be able to play CB in the pros and has off field issues. If Tye Hill was taller I would place more in value in his stock but can't help to overvalue Allen and Cromartie's overall potential. Take it for what its worth.
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I think our first round pick should either be spent on Huff, Williams, or Cromartie in that order of importance. I doubt Huff falls to us at 16 but we have an outside shot at Williams and Cromartie will probably be there when we pick. If we end up with either of these three, I'll be estatic.
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But to answer the overall question who will be available:
1. Huff-no way
2. Cromartie-yes should be available.
3. Allen-Yes should be available
4. Williams-borderline available depending on how teams feel about him
5. Hill-should be available but may be gone
1. Huff-no way
2. Cromartie-yes should be available.
3. Allen-Yes should be available
4. Williams-borderline available depending on how teams feel about him
5. Hill-should be available but may be gone
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Aqua4Ever04 said:
I would go Cromartie if we don't trade down. In a perfect world we slid back a few spots and select Jason Allen. This would solve our issue in the DB backfield to a certain degree.
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Guys, so what do you think the Saban/Mueller braintrust is thinking here?
Since we're picking at 16 and IF - that's IF - we're looking at CB at the spot first, with all that might be available in those first two rounds, do we try to trade down and pick up a 2nd selection for a move down in the first round and snag a CB later? That's IF we're confident we can fill the position with any number of guys on our board and IF we're looking CB first.
Now if someone like Winston Justice is there or if we're just so high on Jimmy Williams, then we might just go ahead and pull the trigger. But say Justice is gone and we have a chance to deal with a trade partner and pick up a selection, does anyone think that's what Saban and Mueller want to do ultimately? Might as well try to get a second back after giving ours up for DC.
Since we're picking at 16 and IF - that's IF - we're looking at CB at the spot first, with all that might be available in those first two rounds, do we try to trade down and pick up a 2nd selection for a move down in the first round and snag a CB later? That's IF we're confident we can fill the position with any number of guys on our board and IF we're looking CB first.
Now if someone like Winston Justice is there or if we're just so high on Jimmy Williams, then we might just go ahead and pull the trigger. But say Justice is gone and we have a chance to deal with a trade partner and pick up a selection, does anyone think that's what Saban and Mueller want to do ultimately? Might as well try to get a second back after giving ours up for DC.