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Who are the top 5 Db's in the draft

This has to be one of the deepest drafts for corners in years.

1) Huff
2) Allen
3) Ty Hill
4) Cromartie
5) Ko Simpson
6) Williams
7) Youboty
8) Joseph

That is 8 first round potential CBs. I am probably missing someone, but I think not only does that leave us with alot of options at 16 but if we trade down we should still pick up significant talent in the late first.
 
finsgonewild said:
there is no way that Jimmy Williams is not one of the top 5 cornerbacks!!! He is leaps above some of these players.

Williams is a tweener. Not good enough for corner IMO. Watch the way he was beasted by Calvin Johnson last year, then watch the way that Tye Hill played him. Guy has some issues off the field that are throwing up all sorts of red flags.
 
PhinsPhan said:
This has to be one of the deepest drafts for corners in years.

1) Huff
2) Allen
3) Ty Hill
4) Cromartie
5) Ko Simpson
6) Williams
7) Youboty
8) Joseph

That is 8 first round potential CBs. I am probably missing someone, but I think not only does that leave us with alot of options at 16 but if we trade down we should still pick up significant talent in the late first.

Simpson is a safety dude. ;)
 
Boomer said:
Simpson is a safety dude. ;)

Hey Boomer which of the CB's would be a better fit for us???

I am a bit biased as a Noles fan for Cromartie, and I just think the world of this guy. His combo of size and speed are insane, then when you couple that with Micky Andrews throwing out the Deion Sanders comparisons as far as talent I start :drool:
 
Nicky Napoleon said:
Hey Boomer which of the CB's would be a better fit for us???

I am a bit biased as a Noles fan for Cromartie, and I just think the world of this guy. His combo of size and speed are insane, then when you couple that with Micky Andrews throwing out the Deion Sanders comparisons as far as talent I start :drool:

Well, they all could fit. Hill has played press and zone at an All American standard and is the best cover guy. Cromartie is the big playmaker with the most question marks but the biggest upside and Allen can play inside or out and has reams of talent. I personally don't see us taking Joseph or Marshall or Youboty.
 
Boomer said:
Well, they all could fit. Hill has played press and zone at an All American standard and is the best cover guy. Cromartie is the big playmaker with the most question marks but the biggest upside and Allen can play inside or out and has reams of talent. I personally don't see us taking Joseph or Marshall or Youboty.
Boomer - who are the top 5 safeties in the upcoming draft? And which rounds are the currently projected to be drafted?
 
I'd say:

1. Huff (either a db or safety)
2. Williams
3. Tye Hill (a little small, but durable and fast)
4. Cromartie (an injury risk, but great talent)
5. Yobody
 
I think there are tons of good CBs in this draft. I just wonder do we have such a priority there nowwith our recent FA signings. Cromartie to me looks like he would be better than all of our CBs. But we have tons of players at that spot now. Allen, Poole, Daniels, Goodman, Thomas, and Mitchell. With all these players do we still take a CB and maybe move Daniels to safety or instead look more at the Safety position? My own opinion is we still take a guy like Cromartie if we feel he's going to be great or the if he is the best player available. I know that this is usually the strategy used by GMs but where we have so many bodies at the position it starts to become a Roster space issue. I like having as many talented players in our secondary as possible. What do others think about this?
 
Id say Hill, but I see Hill as too small, and I hate to say it, but I think he will be the bust of the DBs. I see him as the next packman
 
Skeet84 said:
That Actually all depends on who you ask.

My top 5 are
1. Michael Huff - Never fall to us Strengths: He has adequate height and is strong for his size. He possesses exceptional speed, especially for his size. He is a very good athlete at the safety position. He is versatile and can play a lot of different roles within a defensive scheme. He is heady and instinctive. He's as tough as it gets. Will fill hard vs. the run and does a good job getting through traffic. Has great range in run support and shows very good closing burst. He is a solid open-field tackler and packs a punch at the POA for a smaller DS. He has adequate size but plays a lot bigger than his measurables would indicate. He has become a punishing sideline-to-sideline run stopper. He has above average range and can continue to improve as he gets better adjusted to playing in so much space. He takes good angles to the ball and shows good closing quickness in coverage. Has above average man-to-man coverage skills for a DS. Has adequate ball skills. Will bat down a lot of passes and does a good job of fighting for the jump ball. He has great physical tools, mental makeup and tackling skills as a future special team's player in the NFL.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal bulk as an NFL safety. Plays like a strong safety but will struggle to match up in the box at the NFL level. Needs to improve his body mass and lower body strength. He has decent but not great ball skills. Still needs to improve his recognition skills in deep coverage. Will be a bit late to diagnose every once in a while and will struggle to make up for it in the NFL like he does in college.
2. Jimmy Williams - Strengths: Has rare size/speed combination. A versatile prospect with experience at DC and FS. He is an ideal fit as a press cover corner in a man-to-man scheme. He is tall, has long arms and is strong for the position. He does a good job of pressing WRs at the LOS and taking them out of their routes. He is surprisingly fluid for such a tall DC. Shows the quickness, hips and top-end speed to turn and run with any WR in the NFL if he opens up in time. He shows very good closing burst when the ball is in the air. He is physical and challenges the jump ball. His size gives him a big advantage in the red zone. He has developed excellent ball skills and is a playmaker with the ball in his hands. He fills hard vs. the run and has outstanding potential as a run support DC. He is an aggressive player who will throw his body around and mix it up. He flashes some upside when turned loose on the blitz. Also has experience returning punts.

Weaknesses: Comes off as arrogant and seems to run a lot of people the wrong way. His effort is too streaky. Still has work to do in terms of his consistency in coverage. Will gamble too much and won't get away with it as easily in the NFL. His recognition skills and awareness must improve. Will get caught peeking in the backfield at times and will leave himself vulnerable. He is much more effective in man-coverage than he is in zone. He seems less comfortable in space and needs to improve his ability to read the QB's eyes. Lacks ideal instincts and discipline in zone coverage. Plays out of control at times and will miss too many tackles.
3. Tye Hill - Strengths: Is a track star turned DC. Has blazing speed and is the fastest DC in this class. He has extremely fluid hips. Can turn and run vertically with any WR in the NFL. Is extremely quick in his back pedal. He has explosive closing burst and can make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. Shows very quick feet and good lateral movement skills. He has good leaping ability (39-inch vertical) and will challenge for the jump ball. Is tough for his size. Won't back down from a challenge. His ball skills continue to improve. He's doing a better job of finding the ball in the air and adjusting to it. Is also a threat on the return if he gets daylight. He will fill hard vs. the run. Lacks size but has decent strength and is a fundamentally sound tackler.

Weaknesses: Lacks great experience at the position. Has made huge strides in terms of technique and recognition skills but still is too inconsistent and needs more polish. He is undersized. Lacks height and bulk. Has developed into a good run-support DC, but will occasionally get run over by bigger backs. He will have trouble matching up against bigger WR's in the NFL and may never be more than a slot-corner, as a result.
4. Jonathan Joseph - Strengths: A fast-rising prospect with explosive speed. Is a fluid athlete with very good initial quickness and COD skills. He shows the ability to turn-and-run without losing much in transition. Is quick out of his pedal and shows good closing burst. Is able to make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. He shows good leaping ability and will challenge for the ball in traffic. Possesses natural playmaking instincts and very good ball skills. Is aggressive in run support. Willing and fills hard. Shows adequate strength and is an efficient tackler in space. Has some experience as a return specialist and showed some promise in that area  both as a PR and KOR.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal playing experience. Only played one full season at DI-A level. Shows inconsistent technique. Comes out of his pedal too high at times and will get off balance in those instances. Has a tendency to gamble and jump routes prematurely. Looks less comfortable in zone coverage and must improve his overall awareness in that facet. Durability is a concern following broken foot in 2004.
Ko Simpson - Strengths: Possesses good upside. Lacks ideal bulk but has the frame to get bigger. Is a powerful player for his size. He fills hard versus the run and has developed into a solid open field tackler. He flashes some explosive power at the point of attack. Is a ball-hawk with playmaking instincts. Shows adequate range in coverage. Possesses adequate-to-good speed and shows good closing burst to the ball. Shows outstanding ball skills. Has enough quickness and natural athleticism to match up versus bigger receivers one-on-one. Physical and tough. Also has the skills and mentality to contribute covering kicks on special teams.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal playing experience. Is still unpolished in terms of his overall technique and recognition skills. He can be over-aggressive at times and will get caught taking too many false steps vs. play-fake. He needs to play with more discipline. He lacks ideal bulk. Is aggressive and productive in run support but will struggle to get off of blocks as easily in the NFL. Does not possess the size to consistently match up "in the box". Needs to add bulk to his frame and improve his lower body strength.


The top 5 are mine and the Strengths and Weaknesses are from ESPN.

thanks Skeet! :D
 
finsgonewild said:
there is no way that Jimmy Williams is not one of the top 5 cornerbacks!!! He is leaps above some of these players.

He is not "leaps" above any of those guys listed.
 
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