Who are you willing to get rid of for...

[legendary137]

Last time I checked most of those players were making the min...


Why the hell would you want to get rid of Sammy Morris???

why not get rid of morris, do we need any of these guys?

 

[legendary137]

Why would we get rid of Howard? We're already hurting for depth.

because what has he one? there are others that we have with a lower cap number that can do a better job then he.

 

[volk]

Really, once you give it a little thought, there is only upside and no risk...

I disagree with you. Ricky can do plenty of harm. Tying up cap space, starting in front of Brown, messing with team chemistry, and generating a media circus could very well be looked at as causing harm to the team. Did we not just spend the 2nd overall pick in the draft on a RB that everyone claimed was going to completely change the face of this team?

Sorry, Ricky can cause plenty of harm and delay Brown's development. He is no longer a good value for this organization.

 

[kizzaboo]

You know, those were the exact same arguments everyone used when we gave him his second chance by signing him from NO. My opinion of Ricky will not change, as my opinions of a person's character won't change based on how many touchdowns they score

It's great that the NFL is turning into a rehab league for thugs...hey as long as they win, right? :shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno:

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A little dramatic dont you think? That was not a second chance from NO. He had nothing to do with our franchise while in NO. Quit twisting the situation to fit your arguement.

Good your opinions shouldnt change on his character based on his performance.. but know this, Ricky is not a bad guy, he has made bad decisions such as smoking and the timing of his retirement. I dont think you know Ricky personally to know if he is a good person or not.

Thug eh? Drastic if you ask me. the large majority of the people in this league are not what you call thugs and niether is Ricky..

And your right, whatever it takes to win.. this is a business not your PE class where you refuse to pick a kid because you dont like him.

 

[kizzaboo]

I disagree with you. Ricky can do plenty of harm. Tying up cap space, starting in front of Brown, messing with team chemistry, and generating a media circus could very well be looked at as causing harm to the team. Did we not just spend the 2nd overall pick in the draft on a RB that everyone claimed was going to completely change the face of this team?

Sorry, Ricky can cause plenty of harm and delay Brown's development. He is no longer a good value for this organization.

Sure he can do harm if only put in position to. But he will not be put into the positon to be able to. Remember Ricky is not out to get us or do kill this franchise.

He will not get anything more or up to 1mil and will have a large incentive based contract. If he doesnt like it then Saban will not push any further to sign him. Saban always seems to get his way when signing players and thier salary cap.

Lets say he does start in front of Brown. Then that means that he is performing just a little bit better. Its not like Brown hasnt shared the ball before. He is a team player and a great guy with a win first attitude. He will get carries also. He wont be deprieved. Ricky likes to be alone chemistry was never a problem and wont be now unless Ricky learned how to speak.

Ya he will change the face of this team.. he is going to be a MAJOR part of this offence and with contribute greatly as my previous post stated.

Media circus? Since when does the team care what the media thinks or does the mainsteam media care about the Dolphins?

 

[Eshlemon]

...Ricky Williams? I continue to be surprised at the number of fans on this site that can't wait for Ricky to come back to this team. Have any of you really thought this through? Some thoughts to ponder about this move:

1. One of our RB prospects will have to be cut to make room for him. This will be a player with great potential that we will lose to make room for a player that is on the downside of his career.

2. Many of you seem to think Ricky will come back as strong as he used to be...nothing could be further from the truth. He has already had his best season, he will not reach that level again. Expect Ricky (with a full season) to put up average YPC and total yards, and maybe even less.

3. Salary. Ricky will not come for the league minimum. He is going to make good money, so is Ronnie Brown. That is a lot of money for the RB position that could be better spent on some OL or secondary help. Plus, you will be paying him for a maximum of 12 games after his suspension. All I heard about during draft time was value, and how we should discard some of our best players (that aren't head cases and have never quit) so that we could get the best value. How is Ricky Williams a value at this point?

4. Team chemistry. I see many of you think that the team has forgiven him. Are you sure? Do you really believe Zach and JT are going to really say what they feel about the situation to the press? Saban is evaluating everyone, what he wants will not be openly second guessed or criticized by the players.

5. Many of you have said you will welcome him back if his "head is in the game" and he "really wants to win". What makes you think this is any more than a way out of an $8.6 million settlement?

6. Ricky can't be trusted. This is perhaps the biggest issue. Suppose Ronnie goes down, and Ricky starts carrying the load again. Maybe he gets too many carries in the game...will he be there the next week? Suppose he hits a club, and someone fires up a joint and offers him a toke...is he going to refuse? Suppose the Fins stun the NFL and make it to the playoffs...will Ricky dress for the game, or will he put on a dress and go clubbing?

I cannot conceive of any way that Ricky coming back is a good thing. This decision will come back to bite Saban in the end.

Excellent points volk. We also need to consider not just what RB is going to be replaced but how players will react to others possibly getting cut to make room for Ricky's salary. Depending on the contract amount, could lose not only someone like RB Minor, but DE Bowens and OT St Clair for example.

 

[volk]

A little dramatic dont you think? That was not a second chance from NO. He had nothing to do with our franchise while in NO. Quit twisting the situation to fit your arguement.

Good your opinions shouldnt change on his character based on his performance.. but know this, Ricky is not a bad guy, he has made bad decisions such as smoking and the timing of his retirement. I dont think you know Ricky personally to know if he is a good person or not.

Thug eh? Drastic if you ask me. the large majority of the people in this league are not what you call thugs and niether is Ricky..

And your right, whatever it takes to win.. this is a business not your PE class where you refuse to pick a kid because you dont like him.

No, Ricky isn't a bad guy...he's a spoiled brat. Spoiled brats worry only about their own welfare and happiness...a great attribute for someone who is absolutely essential for helping a team of people succeed If Ricky played as big a role in your office as he did to the Dolphins, then bailed out costing your office their worst year ever, then asked to come back after your office sued him and spent big money for a replacement, would you be willing to welcome him back? No way, and if you say you would, you're lying to yourself.

NO wanted Ricky gone, and the entire NFL world viewed him as a complete freak...hooking up with Miami was a second chance for him to prove those people wrong. Look back at the articles written about him at that time, and you will find that everyone realized Ricky was getting an opportunity to start over. Starting over=second chance. I was a big supporter of him getting his second chance, but he blew it. I just don't see it any other way.

 

[ether79]

because what has he one? there are others that we have with a lower cap number that can do a better job then he.

Who do we have? We have MAdison, Edwards, Howard, Daniels, Poole(IR), and Alphonso Rountree. You cut Howard and we have 4 healthy Cb's and 1 injured. Thats not enough.

 

[DolphinzD]

Who's a better RB? Travis Minor or Ronnie Brown..... make sure your stats back it up before you answer.

That's not the same comparison. The reason I was comparing Travis Minor and Lamar Gordon was because I didn't agree with the statement that Gordon is better, and Minor and Gordon have been in the league about the same period of time and both were back-ups for most of their careers. When I compared their stats head-to-head, Minor comes out ahead. It's harder to compare Minor to Brown because Brown hasn't played in the NFL yet, but if you were to go to a website such as http://seminoles.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/fsu-m-footbl-archive.html to look up Minor's college stats, and then compare them to Ronnie's at http://www.auburntigers.com/football/stats/2004/histcarr.htm#13 then Minor probably does look better, at least in college. But you also have to consider, of course, that Ronnie was sharing the backfield with Cadillac, so his numbers would have been better if he had been the main running back, like Minor was. Minor hasn't really done anything in the NFL to distinguish himself as anything other than a good third-down back, but neither has Gordon. So while it's hard to compare Minor and Brown purely on stats, I, like everyone else, think that Brown is the better running back. But I think that Minor and Gordon can be compared based on their stats because their careers have been similar in length and the position they've played, and I haven't seen anything out of watching Gordon to think he's any better than Minor.

 

[kizzaboo]

No, Ricky isn't a bad guy...he's a spoiled brat. Spoiled brats worry only about their own welfare and happiness...a great attribute for someone who is absolutely essential for helping a team of people succeed If Ricky played as big a role in your office as he did to the Dolphins, then bailed out costing your office their worst year ever, then asked to come back after your office sued him and spent big money for a replacement, would you be willing to welcome him back? No way, and if you say you would, you're lying to yourself.

NO wanted Ricky gone, and the entire NFL world viewed him as a complete freak...hooking up with Miami was a second chance for him to prove those people wrong. Look back at the articles written about him at that time, and you will find that everyone realized Ricky was getting an opportunity to start over. Starting over=second chance. I was a big supporter of him getting his second chance, but he blew it. I just don't see it any other way.

Your right I wouldnt let him back.. but this is a different business. Horrible comparision on your part.

Second chance from him doing what? Being who he is, a wierdo with a mental problem with an unstable mind. NO just thought he was a wack job and didnt want him to crack one day like he did on us and loose all that money. He never did anything wrong in NO. Now we gave the chance to take him for a low salary cap number so it doesnt matter if he quits or gets cut.

 

[NJFINSFAN1]

Minor was a serious dissapointment last year. I didn't expect him to turn into Ricky, but I did expect him to give something to this team. He can take his 1.6 ypc and get the hell out for all I care. At the moment, i'm not a huge Ricky fan. But once he starts running over defenses my tune, and yours will quickly change. If Ricky helps us win everybody will soon forgive and forget.

Ricky hurt all of us with his actions. But he doesn't seem to be the most stable individual. As long he is doing the things he needs to do to get help, i'm gonna be as open to him rejoining the team as I can be. People make mistakes everybody, Ricky's mistake hurt lots of people, and that's why this is still such a huge issue. Soon it will be a thing of the past, i'm sure of it.

I'm going to give the old AJ excuse here! If Aj could not succeed because of the O-line like a ton of people have stated, then how could Minor???

 

[kizzaboo]

I'm going to give the old AJ excuse here! If Aj could not succeed because of the O-line like a ton of people have stated, then how could Minor???

Cause you cant.

 

[NJFINSFAN1]

Cause you cant.

Explain why? :eek:

 

[WitheringPlant]

What is with the term "Ricky can't be trusted". Hes not guarding you will for christ sakes. You don't have to trust him. You don't have to like him. You don't have to cheer for him. You don't have to do **** for him. The only thing he would be taking is a little change out of Huizenga's pocket, and frankly I could care less about that. Hate to break it to you but Ricky has just as much of a chance, if not a better chance, as Gordon to be good. If the team wins, nobody will give a rats *** about what Ricky did. If they lose, then there would be moral issues anyway.

 

[NJFINSFAN1]

What is with the term "Ricky can't be trusted". Hes not guarding you will for christ sakes. You don't have to trust him. You don't have to like him. You don't have to cheer for him. You don't have to do **** for him. The only thing he would be taking is a little change out of Huizenga's pocket, and frankly I could care less about that. Hate to break it to you but Ricky has just as much of a chance, if not a better chance, as Gordon to be good. If the team wins, nobody will give a rats *** about what Ricky did. If they lose, then there would be moral issues anyway.

Feeling better now that you got that off your chest?