Very, very false statement. It's not hard to pile up assists at all.byroan said:
Stealing the ball doesnt alone make a player a good defender. Not allowing the man your guarding to get the shot they want is good defense. Moving your feet to stop penetration is good defense. Ridnour is just bad though. He cant shoot (hovers around 40% much of the year), he cant guard, his assists are mediocore for someone who's supposed to be a true PG. Ill take Arenas, Paul, AI (if he had been invited by Coach K/Coangelo etc), and a handful of others over him without hesitation.marke27 said:
Arenas is far from a ball hog player. His True shooting % (measured by Average of FG% and FT%) if you read the Hollinger stats ranks him 34th in the league overall. He's asked to score a lot because hes the player that makes the Wizards go. They need him to score and to push the tempo because they are not a good half court team. If you watch the wizards at all you know thats a team that needs arenas to get in the open floor with butler and just go to the hoop. Many of Arenas assists though come in half court sets when he has to settle into the role of a traditional PG.Blueprint said:
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phunwin said:OK, first off, you just argued that Iverson's assists per game were proof that he's not a ballhog. Since Iverson plays a ton of minutes, and thus has lots of opportunity to rack up assists, wouldn't THAT be due to playing more minutes than anyone else?
Beyond that, assist rate measures the PERCENTAGE of times a player's possession ends with an assist. The number of minutes played is irrelevant to the calculation. Roughly 18% of Iverson's possessions end with an assist. The average for a point guard is between 25 and 30. Chauncey Billups is around 35, I believe, and is either the leader, or very close to being the leader among point guards that have a starting job. (I don't have the numbers in front of me at the moment). So basically, TWICE as many of Billups' possessions end in assists as Iverson's.
Understand this: I like Iverson. Calling AI a ballhog and saying I like him are not at all mutually incompatible. I love to watch him; he might be the most fascinating one-on-one basketball player since MJ. He's a sure-fire Hall of Famer, he's having a fine season, and I hope he keeps doing his thing for many more years. But he's a ballhog. The stats make it clear; they have nothing to do with the number of minutes he plays. Anyone who's ever watched a Sixers game should know he's a ballhog just from watching him play. For God's sake man, call a spade a spade!
Iversons % of possessions that end in assists is 18.1 (67th in the league) with a PER of 26.84 (7th overall). Ridnour's % of possessions that end in assists in 33.1 (9th overall) but his per is only 15.96 (68th overall) because he contributes nothing else except FT%. And Iverson has the 15th LOWEST To Ratio in the entire league (Again TO ratio = the percentage of a player’s possessions that end in a turnover. Turnover Ratio = (Turnover x 100) divided by [(FGA + (FTA x 0.44) + Assists + Turnovers]) compared to ridnour's 10% TO ratio (78th in the league) and not only is iverson better but more efficient as well. And this is coming from someone who isnt an AI fan either. Hes still a remarkable player though.phunwin said:
Thats ALOT closer than you think in terms of real stats. PPG iverson will kill most anyone but Chauncey is not far off in overall ranking.Roman529 said:
Right but youre calling Iverson a true PG which hes not. hes a 2 guard in a PG's body. He not only contributes 30+ppg, 7-8 dimes a night but hes got a better percentage of possessions ending with assists then many PG's. If he had decent players to pass to that % would be even higher. But aside from Webber and Dalembert he has a bunch of low percentage shooters and Dalembert isnt offensively skilled enough yet to make a big impact on Iversons % of possessions that end in assists.phunwin said:
Billups is tied for 5th among starters (at any position) at 33.1. But his per is still slightly lower than AI. Ai is the better player, Ai is the guy who can carry a team on his shoulders. Billups isnt quite that guy though i love to watch him. But again youre comparing the 2nd best true PG (Billups) to a PG/SG tweener who has to do more then Billups for his team have a chance.phunwin said:
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