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Who forgives ricky for what he did?

Stanford1/20/85 said:
Seeing as this is my second post I understand if some of you lend no credence to the point I am going to attempt to make. I think it would behoove us all to take a step back and attempt to gain some perspective on this man and his situation. Where we go on autumn Saturdays and Sundays for entertainment is where this man has gone to work for the past 8 or 9 years. Because I look at what all professional athletes do as exactly that...a job, I don't fault Rick for leaving when he did. Playing in Wannstedt's offense is the NFL equivalent to a dead end job...albeit for a lot more money.

During his incoherent ramblings on 60 Minutes he did bring up an interesting question. You'll have to excuse me for paraphrasing but he asked something to the effect of, "When should I retire?" My answer to that is, "Whenever he damn well pleases." I'd hate to show up for work one day and be told that I can't leave, because I'm under contract, a contract that my employer can terminate or alter at any time without my consent. I don't feel like I need to forgive him because I would have done the same thing in his situation and risked the penalty of being held in default and therefore owing $8.6 million. I'd rather that than having chronic pain for the rest of my life from playing "wadball" for a few too many seasons.

As for loyalty, I have serious doubts as to whether or not it still exists (that's another issue in and of itself). Like any other company, the Miami Dolphins football team has a loyalty only to success. Success on the field and success in the marketplace. While his reasons for retiring were scattered and conflicting he ultimately did what all players should do when it is a question of loyalty to self or loyalty to team. Choose yourself because the team will in most cases do the same. Ask Eddie George or Lawyer Milloy. Or maybe Tom Rathman or the guy who maybe got the biggest screw in my life as an NFL fan, Chuck Cecil.
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Solid second post. Welcome.
 
Why does anybody have to forgive him.....to forgive Ricky...you have to forgive Wanny, Fiedler and our O-line.
 
Bill C said:
BTW: What is the difference in this and Barry Sanders? I seem to remember when Barry retired, a year later, most Dolphans were clamoring for the organization to go and get him. Barry quit on his team - right before training camp as well.
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Have you been reading my Commentary? Good man! :lol:
 
finsforlife said:
Loyalty..what about all those superstars who jump ship for more money.
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As long as they play out their original contract with the team first and their heart is in the game and they play to win...then I have no problems with it. But if they just outright quit then I have a problem.
 
I remember the feeling of abandonment that was in the voice of JayTay, Zach, and to a much lesser extent Seth... I know that i am in the minority here but I can't just forgive and forget... I am certainly not ready to embrace this "win at all costs" mentality... run_RONNIE_run
 
I have no problem with the ways certain players (i.e. Robert Smith, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown). They each did it in the offseason. Many feel abandoned by what Barry did but he gave the Lions adequate time to recooperate from his loss. You dont need to justify your reasons for hanging up the cleets to the fans, media, etc., on the other hand you should respect your peers (coaches, players, owner)
 
DaMessiah13 said:
I have no problem with the ways certain players (i.e. Robert Smith, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown). They each did it in the offseason. Many feel abandoned by what Barry did but he gave the Lions adequate time to recooperate from his loss.
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Wrong-o, chief. Barry retired on the same calendar day as Ricky. See more here.
 
Stanford1/20/85 said:
As for loyalty, I have serious doubts as to whether or not it still exists (that's another issue in and of itself). Like any other company, the Miami Dolphins football team has a loyalty only to success. Success on the field and success in the marketplace. While his reasons for retiring were scattered and conflicting he ultimately did what all players should do when it is a question of loyalty to self or loyalty to team. Choose yourself because the team will in most cases do the same. Ask Eddie George or Lawyer Milloy. Or maybe Tom Rathman or the guy who maybe got the biggest screw in my life as an NFL fan, Chuck Cecil.
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I'm not talking about loyalty to the organization. I'm talking about loyalty to his teammates. Less than a month before his quitting he told them he was going to be more of a leader for this team. This would have been at the same time as he later said he was contemplating quitting. It's one thing to be disloyal to a company, that's pretty much accepted. But it's something else entirely to lie to someone's face. As I said before, he didn't lie to me so I have nothing to forgive him for, but I can make judgements as to whether I consider him someone to be respected or even if I want him to be a part of my favorite team.
 
That's a very strong point you make and I will not defend him for lying to the team about wanting to be leader. But loyalty to teammates still has it's limits and as this is something that the man does for his livelihood his own personal well being must be taken into account and weighed against any benefit of remaining a member of said team.

I also appreciate your perspective as far as not feeling that you need to forgive him because this was not a transgression committed against you. Of course you and I and all of us are free to judge anyone as we see fit regardless of what any of our vices have, are or will be (it's the American way).

I think one thing we should all try to remember however is that we don't really know any of these people. Despite how much information we know about them, how many times we've seen them play, we don't know them at all. We don't know what kind of people they are or what their moral code is. Because of this, I am a fan of the players as athletes and competitors not as people.
 
I forgive him. Coaches say they'll never leave and do. FOs let go that one player that makes you a winning team, or fails to get that one player that makes all the difference and yet they are forgiven. Why can't players be forgiven if they back and make up for it?

Now, if Ricky never came back, that's another story.
 
Boo frickin hoo :cry:

Is this a soap opera or is it football?

If I wanted to talk about forgiveness I would turn on Oprah.

If the guy can still play, let him play, if he sucks, cut him and give him a one way ticket to India.

Anything else is girly man talk.
 
zachseau13 said:
Boo frickin hoo :cry:

Is this a soap opera or is it football?

If I wanted to talk about forgiveness I would turn on Oprah.

If the guy can still play, let him play, if he sucks, cut him and give him a one way ticket to India.

Anything else is girly man talk.
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AMEN to that! Excellent post!
 
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