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Who Had Better Draft Classes from 2008-2011 Mia, GB, or Pit???

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Green Bay and Pittburgh are widely regarded as great FO's mainly for their ability to draft and rebuild from within. Another reason they have been able to do this has been there's owner's patience with regimes.

Let's take a look at the last 4 draft classes from Pitt, GB, and Miami; since those are the only drafts Ireland has been in on (therefore the only one he deserves to be accountable for)

Here's my criteria so you can't argue my judgement with anything but factual rebuttels of your own, if I've made an oversight FACTUALLY I will be willing to concede to you.

I've based a successful pick being a solid NFL starter or better, some of the more recent picks from every team can eventually prove themselves to be that i.e. Daniel Thomas or Clyde Gates; but for discussion purposes lets exclude them from being considered a successful pick.

1 team drafted 6 out of 34 (17%)

1 drafted 5 out of 33 (15%)

1 drafted 8 out of 32 (25%)

Can you guess who had the highest success rate? That big idiot :rolleyes2: Jeff Ireland, gosh, why would we trust HIM to build through the draft (this is blatant sarcasm for the knuckledraggers).

Point being, we are drafting well under Ireland, if we continue to draft this well we will be back to respectability sooner than later. But we must quit with the regime flipping, and big splash pleading or this organization is forever doomed.




GREEN BAY’s LAST 4 Draft Classes- 6 Starters out of 34 Picks (17%)
1
32
Derek Sherrod
T
Mississippi State
2
64
Randall Cobb
WR
Kentucky
3
96
Alex Green
RB
Hawaii
4
131
Davon House
DB
New Mexico State
5
141
D.J. Williams
TE
Arkansas
6
179
Caleb Schlauderaff
G
Utah
6
186
D.J. Smith
LB
Appalachian State
6
197
Ricky Elmore
LB
Arizona
7
218
Ryan Taylor
TE
North Carolina
7
233
Lawrence Guy
DT
Arizona State
2011 - Green Bay Packers
RD
SEL #
PLAYER
POSITION
SCHOOL

1
23
Bryan Bulaga
T
Iowa
2
56
Mike Neal
DE
Purdue
3
71
Morgan Burnett
SS
Georgia Tech
5
154
Andrew Quarless
TE
Penn State
5
169
Marshall Newhouse
T
Texas Christian
6
193
James Starks
RB
Buffalo
7
230
C.J. Wilson
DE
East Carolina
2010 - Green Bay Packers
RD
SEL #
PLAYER
POSITION
SCHOOL

1
9
B.J. Raji
NT
Boston College
1
26
Clay Matthews
LB
USC
4
109
T.J. Lang
T
Eastern Michigan
5
145
Quinn Johnson
RB
Louisiana State
5
162
Jamon Meredith
T
South Carolina
6
182
Jarius Wynn
DE
Georgia
6
187
Brandon Underwood
DB
Cincinnati
7
218
Brad Jones
LB
Colorado
2009 - Green Bay Packers
RD
SEL #
PLAYER
POSITION
SCHOOL

2
36
Jordy Nelson
WR
Kansas State
2
56
Brian Brohm
QB
Louisville
2
60
Pat Lee
CB
Auburn
3
91
Jermichael Finley
TE
Texas
4
102
Jeremy Thompson
DE
Wake Forest
4
135
Josh Sitton
G
Central Florida
5
150
Breno Giacomini
T
Louisville
7
209
Matt Flynn
QB
Louisiana State
7
217
Brett Swain
WR
San Diego State
2008 - Green Bay Packers
RD
SEL #
PLAYER
POSITION
SCHOOL


PITTSBURGH’s LAST 4 DRAFT CLASSES- 5 Starters out of 33 Picks, and maybe more to come (15%)
1
31
Cameron Heyward
DE
Ohio State
2
63
Marcus Gilbert
T
Florida
3
95
Curtis Brown
DB
Texas
4
128
Cortez Allen
DB
The Citadel
5
162
Chris Carter
LB
Fresno State
6
196
Keith Williams
G
Nebraska
7
232
Baron Batch
RB
Texas Tech

1
18
Maurkice Pouncey
C
Florida
2
52
Jason Worilds
LB
Virginia Tech
3
82
Emmanuel Sanders
WR
Southern Methodist
4
116
Thaddeus Gibson
LB
Ohio State
5
151
Chris Scott
T
Tennessee
5
164
Crezdon Butler
DB
Clemson
5
166
Stevenson Sylvester
LB
Utah
6
188
Jonathan Dwyer
RB
Georgia Tech
6
195
Antonio Brown
WR
Central Michigan
7
242
Doug Worthington
DE
Ohio State
2010 - Pittsburgh Steelers
RD
SEL #
PLAYER
POSITION
SCHOOL

1
32
Ziggy Hood
DT
Missouri
3
79
Kraig Urbik
T
Wisconsin
3
84
Mike Wallace
WR
Mississippi
3
96
Keenan Lewis
DB
Oregon State
5
168
Joe Burnett
DB
Central Florida
5
169
Frank Summers
RB
Nevada-Las Vegas
6
205
Ra'Shon Harris
DT
Oregon
7
226
A.Q. Shipley
C
Penn State
7
241
David Johnson
TE
Arkansas State
2009 - Pittsburgh Steelers
RD
SEL #
PLAYER
POSITION
SCHOOL

1
23
Rashard Mendenhall
RB
Illinois
2
53
Limas Sweed
WR
Texas
3
88
Bruce Davis
LB
UCLA
4
130
Tony Hills
T
Texas
5
156
Dennis Dixon
QB
Oregon
6
188
Mike Humpal
OLB
Iowa
6
194
Ryan Mundy
FS
West Virginia
2008 - Pittsburgh Steelers
RD
SEL #
PLAYER
POSITION
SCHOOL


MIAMI’s LAST 4 DRAFT CLASSES (WHICH IS ALL YOU CAN JUDGE IRELAND ON AND REALLY WE SHOULD ONLY BE JUDGING LAST YEAR SINCE IT WAS HIS ONLY CLASS)- 8 Starters out of 32 Picks (25%)

1
15
Mike Pouncey
C
Florida
2
62
Daniel Thomas
RB
Kansas State
4
111
Edmond Gates
WR
Abilene Christian
6
174
Charles Clay
RB
Tulsa
7
231
Frank Kearse
DT
Alabama A&M
7
235
Jimmy Wilson
DB
Montana
2011 - Miami Dolphins
RD
SEL #
PLAYER
POSITION
SCHOOL

1
28
Jared Odrick
DE
Penn State
2
40
Koa Misi
OLB
Utah
3
73
John Jerry
G
Mississippi
4
119
A.J. Edds
LB
Iowa
5
145
Nolan Carroll
CB
Maryland
5
163
Reshad Jones
FS
Georgia
7
212
Chris McCoy
LB
Middle Tennessee State
7
252
Austin Spitler
LB
Ohio State
2010 - Miami Dolphins
RD
SEL #
PLAYER
POSITION
SCHOOL

1
25
Vontae Davis
DB
Illinois
2
44
Pat White
QB
West Virginia
2
61
Sean Smith
DB
Utah
3
87
Patrick Turner
WR
USC
4
108
Brian Hartline
WR
Ohio State
5
161
John Nalbone
TE
Monmouth (N.J.)
5
165
Chris Clemons
DB
Clemson
6
181
Andrew Gardner
T
Georgia Tech
7
214
J.D. Folsom
LB
Weber State
2009 - Miami Dolphins
RD
SEL #
PLAYER
POSITION
SCHOOL

1
1
Jake Long
T
Michigan
2
32
Phillip Merling
DE
Clemson
2
57
Chad Henne
QB
Michigan
3
66
Kendall Langford
DE
Hampton
4
110
Shawn Murphy
G
Utah State
6
176
Jalen Parmele
RB
Toledo
6
195
Donald Thomas
G
Connecticut
6
204
Lex Hilliard
RB
Montana
7
245
Lionel Dotson
DE
Arizona
2008 - Miami Dolphins
RD
SEL #
PLAYER
POSITION
SCHOOL
 
But I thought that if every one of our draft picks wasn't a sexy pick or a sure-fire hall of famer that our draft was a bust?!
 
Interesting to say the least!!! but Ireland needs more personnel skills with regards to his approach to interviewing and handling players, he seems to be failing in that dept ...
 
The problem isn't that we have drafted poorly its that there aren't really any home runs.
 
WesternNYDolfan said:
Green Bay and Pittburgh are widely regarded as great FO's mainly for their ability to draft and rebuild from within. Another reason they have been able to do this has been there's owner's patience with regimes.

Let's take a look at the last 4 draft classes from Pitt, GB, and Miami; since those are the only drafts Ireland has been in on (therefore the only one he deserves to be accountable for)

Here's my criteria so you can't argue my judgement with anything but factual rebuttels of your own, if I've made an oversight FACTUALLY I will be willing to concede to you.

I've based a successful pick being a solid NFL starter or better, some of the more recent picks from every team can eventually prove themselves to be that i.e. Daniel Thomas or Clyde Gates; but for discussion purposes lets exclude them from being considered a successful pick.

1 team drafted 6 out of 34 (17%)

1 drafted 5 out of 33 (15%)

1 drafted 8 out of 32 (25%)

Can you guess who had the highest success rate? That big idiot :rolleyes2: Jeff Ireland, gosh, why would we trust HIM to build through the draft (this is blatant sarcasm for the knuckledraggers).

Point being, we are drafting well under Ireland, if we continue to draft this well we will be back to respectability sooner than later. But we must quit with the regime flipping, and big splash pleading or this organization is forever doomed.






115Mike PounceyCFlorida
262Daniel ThomasRBKansas State
4111Edmond GatesWRAbilene Christian
6174Charles ClayRBTulsa
7231Frank KearseDTAlabama A&M
7235Jimmy WilsonDBMontana


128Jared OdrickDEPenn State
240Koa MisiOLBUtah
373John JerryGMississippi
4119A.J. EddsLBIowa
5145Nolan CarrollCBMaryland
5163Reshad JonesFSGeorgia
7212Chris McCoyLBMiddle Tennessee State
7252Austin SpitlerLBOhio State


125Vontae DavisDBIllinois
244Pat WhiteQBWest Virginia
261Sean SmithDBUtah
387Patrick TurnerWRUSC
4108Brian HartlineWROhio State
5161John NalboneTEMonmouth (N.J.)
5165Chris ClemonsDBClemson
6181Andrew GardnerTGeorgia Tech
7214J.D. FolsomLBWeber State


11Jake LongTMichigan
232Phillip MerlingDEClemson
257Chad HenneQBMichigan
366Kendall LangfordDEHampton
4110Shawn MurphyGUtah State
6176Jalen ParmeleRBToledo
6195Donald ThomasGConnecticut
6204Lex HilliardRBMontana
7245Lionel DotsonDEArizona
Click to expand...

I went ahead and highlighted some guys that have at least contributed a bit or seen any kind of success. These aren't very sexy drafts, but they have given us some kind of foundation to build on
 
Thats the beauty of making safe picks, you fool some people into thinking your doing a good job because of all the "starters" you've picked. Luckily for Ireland our owner is one of the fools.
 
OP are you jeff Ireland? That was a lot of work to put together that post defending a guy who has had the team at 7 wins the last few years. You are comparing a team that has had those less than mediocre records to perennial powerhouses like pitt and gb, of course less rookies will make those teams and start than the Fins.
 
Being a "starter" means nothing. Hartline has been starting for us when he wouldn't for a single other team.
 
To be fair, some of our starters would not start on a Super Bowl contending team like Pittsburgh and Green Bay. And I'm sure they both have players on the bench who would start here.
 
Nice thread...

Im being patient and seeing what happens this year. The problem here is that Ireland likes having quantity over quality, therefore it becomes difficult to draft playmakers or homerun hitters.

Dont get me wrong, hes drafted very solid considering our spots (since he is always trading down for extra picks). He's spent his lowest draft picks on home run hitters in Jake Long and Brandon Marshall (considering he gave up 2 low second rd picks)
 
How many pro bowlers/ all stars do we have? Maybe my perception of the team is totally warped and we have the talent we need to compete for the playoffs already and the new coach will take us there. Either Sparano was the problem holding back Irelands talent, or there is not as much talent as we think or a combination of both. Well we have a new coach so lets see how the team does this year.
 
We were 1-15...how hard do you think it is to start on a 1-15 team? The better question would be how many of our starters do you think would start for Green Bay or Pitt? Brian Hartline? Nope. Koa Misi? Nope. Phillip Merling? Nope. Chris Clemons? Nope. Sean Smith? Probably not. Vontae Davis? Maybe for the Packers but probably not for Pitt. John Jerry? Nope. Reshad Jones? Nope. Chad Henne? lol...Nope. Jake Long? Ding, Ding....we have a winner.
 
Good points.

I would also add the undrafted Free Agent Pickups:

1. Cameron Wake
2. Davone Bess
3. Brandon Fields (not sure if he's an UDFA)
4. Dan Carpenter
 
miamirw said:
Good points.

I would also add the undrafted Free Agent Pickups:

1. Cameron Wake
2. Davone Bess
3. Brandon Fields (not sure if he's an UDFA)
4. Dan Carpenter
Click to expand...
Fields was drafted by Cameron/Mueller.
 
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