Crowder52
Inside LB
You have GOT to be ****ing kidding me? :eek:
He is kidding you. Tomlinson ran a 4.38. Here's the link to Kiper's combine recap from that year
http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0227/1113401.html
You have GOT to be ****ing kidding me? :eek:
Take a guy who runs a 4.4 on a track in ideal conditions, let him sprint up and down a football field for three quarters, and see if he's running a 4.4 in the fourth quarter.
Sure it's the end-all, be-all of the combine for receivers and running backs. But, come on...let's be real. That kind of time difference (i.e. between a 4.4 and a 4.6) doesn't matter a hill of beans when you're on the field.
Have you ever tried to count to 10 over the span of one second? Now imagine doing that, but stopping at "2." Probably can't be done. IF it can, could you even distinguish between when the first guy runs past you from the second at the 40-yard mark??? 4.4 speed at WR also doesn't matter if you're matched up with 4.4. speed at CB.
I don't think I could blow a fart past you in the .2 of a second everyone is squabbling about.
What matters is elusiveness, ability to stop, start and change directions, ability to "separate" and a decent pair of hands. Let's find a receiver with multiple qualities instead of one with "break-neck speed" who can mythically "stretch the field." If you're blazing toward the goal line, 10 yds behind your CB, but you can't catch the ball, you don't make it in my offense.
Okay over-rated? Probably. But he still is faster than that other person at that given time. That is is. It is impossible to practically measure a persons 4th quarter speed, nor is it neccessary. The 40 is the best way we have, along with the splits, to measure a athletes short distance speed. Objective and intelligent people know how to use that information and factor it into a complete analysis of a prospect. Those that are not as objective know how to either call it the "key" measurement, or discount it entirely because of lack of education and information on how the sprint works and what its implications are.
If anyone remembered the "Playmakers' show they used to show on ESPn, it showed really great how important a 40yard dash speed could be. The vet RB on the team ran all the drills that you would run at the combine, and posted the same times and measures he had as a rookie, except for his 40 yard dash which was fractionally slower. The coach then showed him film of another RB(either the new guy or a different RB from the league who had a faster 40), and broked it down into tenths of a second. That fraction of a secon dwas the determining factor between being tackled for a 3 yard gain(like the vet would have been) or bursting just far enough past the tacklers to get the long TD run.
To think the 40 holds no relevance to on the field play is naive(i.e. Jarrett). To use it as the only determination of talent is naive too(i.e. Ginn). The other drills like 3 cone drill are great too, but the 40 is very important, as well as the 10, 20, 30 yard splits that get recorded.
Come on Stitches! I think you are a good poster on these boards but please don't bring up Playmakers in a serious discussion. That show was the most sensationalized rendition of football I've ever seen.
Sure it's the end-all, be-all of the combine for receivers and running backs. But, come on...let's be real. That kind of time difference (i.e. between a 4.4 and a 4.6) doesn't matter a hill of beans when you're on the field.
Have you ever tried to count to 10 over the span of one second? Now imagine doing that, but stopping at "2." Probably can't be done. IF it can, could you even distinguish between when the first guy runs past you from the second at the 40-yard mark??? 4.4 speed at WR also doesn't matter if you're matched up with 4.4. speed at CB.
I don't think I could blow a fart past you in the .2 of a second everyone is squabbling about.
What matters is elusiveness, ability to stop, start and change directions, ability to "separate" and a decent pair of hands. Let's find a receiver with multiple qualities instead of one with "break-neck speed" who can mythically "stretch the field." If you're blazing toward the goal line, 10 yds behind your CB, but you can't catch the ball, you don't make it in my offense.
Art Monk isnt a hall of famer, FYI
40 times are important in a way, but I think it's silly for some players to just fly up boards because they're fast. Some people (mainly fans and media) put too much emphasis on how fast someone is and it makes their jaw drop when they don't go first round (Sinorice Moss last year is a good example).
I do think you've got to take flyers when players run slow 40 times though. Jamaal Brimmer (a formr S from UNLV; same draft class as Vernon Carey) was considered a solid second round pick, bt he ran a 4.9 40 and went undrafted, same goes for Ernest Shazor and Brandon Browner.
I think there are other things more important than 40 times