Who would have thought: Hadnot over Carey

[keys_finfan]

well if the draft is like gambling in vegas then Belichick is probably a millionaire, i dont think the draft is like vegas at all. if you study your players well enough you shouldnt be taking to much of a risk IMO

The draft=gambling in Vegas?

 

[islandah]

How many people would like for the phins to be using a large chunk of cap money to pay an Orlando Pace contract? I personally wouldn't. That type of money has to go to an impact player i.e QB, RB, DE, WR

I agree for the most part, but if I'm playing against the dolphins and I have a player that can pretty much take JT out of the game (or Freeney or Strahan, etc) isn't that a pretty substantial impact?

 

[islandah]

well if the draft is like gambling in vegas then Belichick is probably a millionaire, i dont think the draft is like vegas at all. if you study your players well enough you shouldnt be taking to much of a risk IMO

Actually, you just described Vegas: if you study enough and are disciplined you can create slight advantages and increase the odds of your gambles paying off. But in the end, it is still a gamble. Who predicted Ricky retiring, Zach being a HOF linebacker, Ryan Leaf being, well, Ryan Leaf, Brady taking Bledsoe's team and turning it into a dynasty? Still a roll of the dice in the end.

 

[RWhitney014]

Rewind to April 20th of 2004 right before the draft. who did u want the Phins to draft? Most dolfans, including myself, wanted a 1st-round O-lineman, Vernon Carey being near the top of the wishlist for many.

Now, after a full season, with no injuries, Vernon Carey may still fail to be a penciled in starter. and at the same time, 6th rounder Rex Hadnot is the penciled-in starter at RG, the position where many thought Carey would end up at. and Hadnot already has more NFL gameplaying experience than Carey going into year 2.

How crazy would u have thought a guy was who told u Hadnot would straight up outperform Carey even with Carey not letting his weight get out of control. How crazy would u have thought a guy was who had Hadnot ahead of Carey on the draft board? it just goes to show how much of a crapshoot the draft can be.

(BTW i know that Carey may still very well end up being our starting LT, but from what I've read, combined with the fact that Hadnot played more than Carey as rookies when both were healthy, is enough evidence to say Hadnot at least at this stage is better than Carey.)

I'm gonna get killed for this.......but judging by everyone's reactions, it looks like Spielman didn't really make a mistake by drafting him. It wasn't smart trading the pick to get him, but I think every single one of us wanted him.

 

[Dudeman]

Who predicted Ricky retiring, Zach being a HOF linebacker, Ryan Leaf being, well, Ryan Leaf, Brady taking Bledsoe's team and turning it into a dynasty? Still a roll of the dice in the end.

with respect to Ricky.....nobody

I think you're a little off in calling Zach a HOF LB....he's not there, solid, but definitely NOT HOF material....I think there's just a wee bit of homerism there

Ryan Leaf was projected as a bust by the doctor that brain-typed both him and Manning. The doc warned SD not to draft him, but they didn't listen, and they got screwed.

Brady was a caretaker at the beginning that just happened to fit in Weis' gameplans.

He still hasn't justified the pick and may never justify losing a 4th rounder for his selection. There have been a lot of good players, some great in the 4th round and who knows who we may have gotten and what he could have become for the Dolphins.

well, the one good thing about that is that the man responsible is gone, and something like that will NEVER happen again.

 

[painnotpleasure]

I respect Coach Houck's decisions and choices on everything and I know he penciled in our starting lineup for our O-line based on Mini Camp but I know and I know he knows that pencils have erasers. And that I haven't given up at Rex Hadnot playing and possibly even starting at Center just like I haven't given up at Vernon Carey playing and starting at RG. For now Seth is in the starting lineup, Rex Hadnot is our starting RG, and Vernon Carey is battling it out with D-Mac for starting LT. So far Carey has been a disappointment for us and we gave up too much for him but by no means whatsoever am I going to give up on him especially with Houck being O-line coach and Saban being our head coach. I'm glad it almost looks like it's definite that Rex Hadnot is going to be in our starting lineup, whether it's at RG or C. And I am realy hoping Vernon Carey is going to be in the starting lineup as well whether it's at LT or RG, I would much rather prefer RG for Carey and C for Hadnot.

As of now Houck's made it clear this is our starting O-line so far BASED on mini camp

LT- Vernon Carey/D-Mac
LG- Jeno James
C - Seth McKinney
RG- Rex Hadnot
RT- Stockar McDougle

I still think this is possiblity come training camp or preseason...

LT- D-Mac
LG- Jeno James
C - Rex Hadnot
RG- Vernon Carey
RT- Stockar McDougle

It's still too early to tell who's starting where and I'm glad Linehan made it clear that there is no starting QB yet because I want it to be based on who performs better in Training Camp and after preseason. That's when we'll get a much better idea what the final depth chart will be looking like.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Actually, you just described Vegas: if you study enough and are disciplined you can create slight advantages and increase the odds of your gambles paying off. But in the end, it is still a gamble.

That is basically correct. But what people don't understand about sports bettting in Vegas is sometimes it is NOT a gamble at all. For example, this morning I guaranteed nearly $200 in profit simply by wagering on both sides of three different baseball games at favorable odds. It is called scalping. Essentially you flip the house edge in your favor. On one game today I took 16 cents more on the underdog than I gave on the favorite. The two other advantages were 9 cents and 7 cents.

It takes legwork and instinct. You have to know the typical price, which direction it's headed and have the ability to recognize a bad number. I'm amazed at the number of locals who race into the book looking for one number and completely miss a blatant mistake. One year ago, for example, the idiots at the Stardust sportsbook put Roger Federer at 5/1 to win Wimbledon. It was supposed to be 5/4 but since the employees weren't familiar with a somewhat odd British-style number like that they assumed it was supposed to be 5/1 and gave me an incredible gift. I bet it the last night of the Pistons/Lakers series during game 5 and tried to emphasize to several people sitting in the book what a value it was. But the only reply I kept receiving was, "sorry, I don't follow tennis."

 

[FinNasty]

The three most important posisions on a football team are QB, LT, DE.

I would have to go with QB, LT, and MLB

Nasty

 

[killswitch]

The three most important posisions on a football team are QB, LT, DE.

I'm surprised none of u guys put DT up there as the most important. IMO, a good defense is more mportant than a good offense, and the play of the DT position has the most power in dictating how well the defense does. The way I look at it, of all the positions on defense, a DT has the most power to singlehandedly stop the offense, hence making it the most important.

my list of most important positions would go:

1. DT
2. LT
3. MLB
4. RE
5. CB
6. RT
7. RG
8. skill positions (QB, WR, etc.)

 

[painnotpleasure]

I'm surprised none of u guys put DT up there as the most important. IMO, a good defense is more mportant than a good offense, and the play of the DT position has the most power in dictating how well the defense does. The way I look at it, of all the positions on defense, a DT has the most power to singlehandedly stop the offense, hence making it the most important.

my list of most important positions would go:

1. DT
2. LT
3. MLB
4. RE
5. CB
6. RT
7. RG
8. skill positions (QB, WR, etc.)

I'm confused. Why MLB? We have depth with Zach Thomas, Channing Crowder, and Derrick Pope. Also why RE?! The most indispensable player on our team is Jason Taylor and he plays RE... not to mention Matt Roth or even Vonnie Holliday could play backup RE. And I think we have two players who really good and suited for RG with Rex Hadnot and Vernon Carey... and I think Stockar McDougle is going to be really good at RT, and we have some nice depth with St.Clair and Alabi... I agree with the rest that you mentioned, but I'm not sure you why you think MLB, RE, RT, and RG are important needs for us... :confused:

 

[Rafiki]

I dunno.. I thought Vernon Carey did a fairly decent job last year, considering the OL was in shambles. I think Hadnot has heart, but Carey has the better build and ability. He just has to learn the schemes and the plays.

 

[jlfin]

I consider Pace and any other big time LT to be an impact player. There's a lot to be said for a guy who can keep the D's best player off your QB's back. Blindside hits on the QB are the ones most likely to cause turnovers or injuries. They may not get the glory, but a great LT can make a HUGE difference in the success of your team.

Think back on the last 10 SB's. How many of those teams had a franchise type LT?
I am making a distinction between a good LT and a franchise one. I don't believe Pace is worth the money.
Jimmy Johnson had Tunei (?spelling). He was good, but not great. The Pats have a solid LT, but not great.
The Ravens with Ogden are the only SB winner I can recall with franchise type player playing the position.
I guess its just a matter of opinion, but I don't think you need to use a top 10 pick on an O-linemen. Also, when I think of impact players, I think of players who can change the complexion of a game by making a big play. LT's don't fit that bill.

 

[killswitch]

I'm confused. Why MLB? We have depth with Zach Thomas, Channing Crowder, and Derrick Pope. Also why RE?! The most indispensable player on our team is Jason Taylor and he plays RE... not to mention Matt Roth or even Vonnie Holliday could play backup RE. And I think we have two players who really good and suited for RG with Rex Hadnot and Vernon Carey... and I think Stockar McDougle is going to be really good at RT, and we have some nice depth with St.Clair and Alabi... I agree with the rest that you mentioned, but I'm not sure you why you think MLB, RE, RT, and RG are important needs for us... :confused:

i'm not talking about which positions we need help with the most. I'm talking about, in general, what I believe are the most important positions on a football team.

 

[CCMiamiDolphins]

I was hoping we were gonna get Andrews. When the Eagles traded up, I thought they were gonna get Stephen Jackson. I was pissed when they got Andrews.

Maybe we should have drafted Vince Wilfork?

 

[ChambersWI]

I'm not totally surprised Hadnot is a starter. In fact, last year I said he'd be starting for us by midseason because Wheatley was so bad. I don't think many people realize how dominant Rex was at Houston, he lead the nation in pancakes with about 156 (meaning he planted the guys he guarded on their @$$es.) Granted it was in C-USA, but it's still impressive.

Everybody knew Carey would be a project, but IMO if we keep him at one spot, and let him learn that spot he'll become a star.

As Much said Vernon looked great against JT at mini camp. Now normally I wouldn't take mini camp seriously, but I see this as a good thing because last year it seemed like Wade Smith wasn't even at the camp. (JT was embarrassing him).