why do you guys think Ricky wont do very good.

[yankeehillbilly]

we the people get a grand total of 2 choices to vote for as president. every year they come from the same rich families who don't give a crap about the people. our senate leaders are the ones who have enough money to get their mugs on television enough so those who don't know enough vote for them. most of us have no idea what goes on behind close doors. a lot of people just vote according to the if they are rep/dem. it is not so simple as to say, let's vote them out. there has been a power structure set up in government/military/cia/supreme court that would take years to break down. they flat out lie to us all the time, using scare tactics to get the people to do whatever they want. i like the quote from someone on this site about the german war criminal guy who said. "if u scare the people, then question their patriotism u can pretty much get them to do whatever u want." i'm sure that's not exactly it but it's a good point.

The American people elect our President from the entire pool of candidates. The choice is usually narrowed down to a half dozen or so by the the time election day rolls around. (there were 6 in 2004...Bush, Kerry, Nader, Badnarik, Peroutka,Cobb) However, the narrowing down process is done in primaries in which every citizen has the right to vote for the candidate they wish to be nominated by their party. So the choices that are remaining come election day are there because the American people want them there.

You dont like who the candidates are? Become active in your local caucuses and primaries.
And maybe take a refresher American Government course.

 

[yankeehillbilly]

that's not true, i have seen numerous usa today polls and other national polls that say over 50-75 percent of americans think that it should be used for medical problems. and a lot of polls that think marijuana should be legalized in at least some capacity. even people who don't smoke are getting tired of a war on pot that is getting no where except throwing a lot of people in jail.

it's sad but there have been many examples of peaceful potheads spending more time in jail then rapists. this dude in arkansas got something like 75 years in jail for growing 2 plants at his house. this was like 15 years ago but it's still ubsurd.

yes, it is true. Look at the post I was replying to...it expressed the opinion that a person should be free to smoke pot if they wanted to.... as in recreational use, not medical use. I said the majority of Americans disagreed.

[font=Arial,Helvetica][size=+1] Poll Finds Support for Marijuana Legalization at Record Level, Though Still a Minority View

[/size][/font][font=Arial,Helvetica]CNN/USA Today Poll

http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/201/pollresults.shtml

Support for legalization is growing, but as of the time of this poll, Americans were nearly 2 to 1 against it.
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[ricky williams]

find the medical polls too. this just deals w/ straight up legalization. i'm also talking about making it legal for ill patients

youre right that you were responding too just legalization post so in that respects you are right and you seem quite logical unlike some people.

but we will have to agree to disagree about our government being this thing representative of the people. one thing to add, nader wasn't allowed in the presidential debates televised to the world. if he was, he would have shown the other candidates for what they are. so you can say that it is equal but really it is not.

 

[Doktor Ivel]

Thats your opinion. Unfortunately the majority of Americans do not agree.

when was the vote on this??????????
how can you say a majority, if only REPUBLICANS voted?

 

[Doktor Ivel]

The American people elect our President from the entire pool of candidates. The choice is usually narrowed down to a half dozen or so by the the time election day rolls around. (there were 6 in 2004...Bush, Kerry, Nader, Badnarik, Peroutka,Cobb) However, the narrowing down process is done in primaries in which every citizen has the right to vote for the candidate they wish to be nominated by their party. So the choices that are remaining come election day are there because the American people want them there.

You dont like who the candidates are? Become active in your local caucuses and primaries.
And maybe take a refresher American Government course.

i will when i'm old enough

 

[Doktor Ivel]

yes, it is true. Look at the post I was replying to...it expressed the opinion that a person should be free to smoke pot if they wanted to.... as in recreational use, not medical use. I said the majority of Americans disagreed.

[font=Arial,Helvetica][size=+1]Poll Finds Support for Marijuana Legalization at Record Level, Though Still a Minority View

[/size][/font][font=Arial,Helvetica]CNN/USA Today Poll

http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/201/pollresults.shtml

Support for legalization is growing, but as of the time of this poll, Americans were nearly 2 to 1 against it.
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not every one in america knew about that pole.

 

[leinart06]

people just don't go from being great to blowing in one year i don't care how much weight he lost or how much pot he smoked he will be a top 3 or 4 back in this league it may sound like i am reaching but i believe he will be

 

[Doktor Ivel]

people just don't go from being great to blowing in one year i don't care how much weight he lost or how much pot he smoked he will be a top 3 or 4 back in this league it may sound like i am reaching but i believe he will be

he will be better than before, but his stats wont be.....he has a 4 game sus, so thats less games for stats, also he will be splitting carries with H23

 

[pwn3dyo]

Pot kills just like alcohol does. In accidents, and in health. Pot has a much higher concentration of THC's than tobacco does...THC's are what cause lung cancer. Is it less addictive than alcohol? Maybe, although even that is debatable. It is always easy to tell who are pot users, because they go on these tirades about how it should be legalized and how it isn't harmful, which actually makes them appear to be addicted. The passion they exhibit in defense of the habit and the denial of its harmful effects are two classic signs of addiction.

Again, if you want to smoke pot, that's up to you, just stay off of the road and out of my face about it. Waging some PR campaign to justify your addiction and hide the detriments of marijuanna use isn't fooling anyone. It is illegal...if you don't like it, move to Amsterdam :shakeno:

Dude, you don't know **** about the plant. THC is the main psychoactive in marijuana. it is nontoxic, and causes NO DAMAGE what so ever. THC is in marijuana, and not in tobacco. THC is an anti-oxide actually nad prevents cancer. The radioactivity and carcinogens cause cancer. You know NOTHING at all, so quit acting like you do.



PS: Not one person has died from cancer due to just marijuana use. 90% of cancer is because of radioactivity, and not the tar. Marijuana does not contain any radioactivity. It seems like everyone trying to argue that marijuana is bad knows NOTHING about it. Saying THC causes cancer? LOL!?! Seriously, if you want to argue my point at least learn about the plant, because i know everything there is to know about it.

 

[Doktor Ivel]

Dude, you don't know **** about the plant. THC is the main psychoactive in marijuana. it is nontoxic, and causes NO DAMAGE what so ever. THC is in marijuana, and not in tobacco. THC is an anti-oxide actually nad prevents cancer. The radioactivity and carcinogens cause cancer. You know NOTHING at all, so quit acting like you do.

thats right.
hey pwn3dyo, how did you get that user name??? whats it stand for?

 

[pwn3dyo]

Doesn't stand for anything, its an inside joke with a friend that doesnt post here. :)


Actually, the majority of americans want marijuana decriminilized in their states, and want it to be used for medical purposes. The federal goverment does not want that to happen. Prohibition goes against everything our country is about.

Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes crimes out of things that are not crimes. a prohibitionlaw strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.

-Abraham Lincoln



stop the drug war, and stop killing innocent people.

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/08/17/drugWarVictims.html

 

[ricky williams]

Doesn't stand for anything, its an inside joke with a friend that doesnt post here. :)


Actually, the majority of americans want marijuana decriminilized in their states, and want it to be used for medical purposes. The federal goverment does not want that to happen. Prohibition goes against everything our country is about.

Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes crimes out of things that are not crimes. a prohibitionlaw strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.

-Abraham Lincoln



stop the drug war, and stop killing innocent people.

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/08/17/drugWarVictims.html

nice

 

[pwn3dyo]

You are so full of it If you want to smoke pot, that's fine, but don't even try to tell me it doesn't harm people, or that people who are high don't kill. That is just ignorance in action.

In my tiny rural area alone there have been numerous automobile accidents in which pot was a very real factor. Several of these have been fatalities. Marijuanna slows reaction speed and hinders decision making skills. If there is any government "conspiracy" on pot, it would be the way it is looked at during police investigations for automobile accidents, in which an "illegal substance" is involved. Since it is illegal, it is never specified, but talk to the investigating officer and they will tell you which drugs were involved, and it is usually pot or meth. I won't even mention the drownings on our river directly linked to marijuanna use by rafting guides. Pot causes euphoria, not increased clarity of thought

Pot kills just like alcohol does. In accidents, and in health. Pot has a much higher concentration of THC's than tobacco does...THC's are what cause lung cancer. Is it less addictive than alcohol? Maybe, although even that is debatable. It is always easy to tell who are pot users, because they go on these tirades about how it should be legalized and how it isn't harmful, which actually makes them appear to be addicted. The passion they exhibit in defense of the habit and the denial of its harmful effects are two classic signs of addiction.

Again, if you want to smoke pot, that's up to you, just stay off of the road and out of my face about it. Waging some PR campaign to justify your addiction and hide the detriments of marijuanna use isn't fooling anyone. It is illegal...if you don't like it, move to Amsterdam :shakeno:

I'm so full of it? Your the one saying marijuana has THC in it? I am providing all facts, and have been studying this plant for years? You think tobacco contains cannabinoids . I am not an addict, i actually have not smoked in awhile. I can quit easily because marijuana is not addictive. Also, marijuana does not lead to alot of automobile accidents. That is actually alcohol which does that. marijuana can stay in the system up to 3 weeks though, so the goverment will say 1/3 wreckless drivers test positive for marijuana etc... That is all propaganda BS. I am not lying, i am not ignorant like yourself, and i know the facts. As for it being illegal? i don't care if its illegal in this society, i care about the truth. The truth is marijuana is harmless and hasn't kill anyone, doesnt cause any long term damage, and leads to pacifism.

 

[DoctorFeelgood]

anarchist?

Libertarian with strong anarchist leanings.

so if a citizen disagrees with the law that prohibits murder then its OK for him to kill his neighbor?

Nope, because that is violating the neighbor's rights. But it doesn't take a law to make that wrong.

As a society "We the People" gave our leaders the right to make and enforce laws,

First of all, they are not leaders, they are servants. Secondly, you can't say "We The People" gave them any rights, when no one alive today had anything to do with drafting, signing or ratifying the Constitution. I never willingly ceded any power or authority to the government, so speak for yourself if you want to say that they have authority.

. But the fact is that legislators that were elected by the people to represent the people's interests created these laws. If you dont like the law then support a representative that will fight to get it overturned.

That's one way to approach it, yes. But because someone was elected, doesn't mean jack ****. "Majority rule" is just a euphemism for "mob rule." If the majority of people in this country voted to re-institute slavery, would that mean it's OK? No, of course not. There is this idea of natural, inalienable rights, and those rights supercede any notion of government, democracy, blah, blah.

If enough people convince their representatives to do the same (or elect new ones that are like-minded) then you will be successful. Until then, however, you will be subjected to the laws, rules, and restrictions whether you choose to accept them willingly or not.

No, I can simply choose to ignore any law I disagree with. However, the government may choose to, in an exercise of "might makes right," attempt to punish me for doing so. In which case I have a few options. An intelligent, rational jury may exercise their right of "jury nullification" to acquit me on principle, despite the evidence. Or not. In which case I would, because the government have more guns than I do, have to suffer whatever punishment they decided to enact on me. Accepting the responsibility for one's actions however, is part and parcel with having the freedom to make your own choices.

But in no case, will I ever allow that any man, or any number of men, have any inate authority over me. The population of the United States is near 280 milllion people... And I don't care if 279 million, nine hundred and ninety nine thousand, nine hundred and ninety nine of them "vote" to subject me to their will, they will STILL have no authority over me. They may overwhelm me with physical force and force me to adhere to their will, but nothing in nature gives them any authority or dominion.

 

[DoctorFeelgood]

The American people elect our President from the entire pool of candidates.

That's not quite technically correct. The American people don't elect the President at all, the Electoral College does. All the general election does, is determine's which party's pool of electors goes to DC to vote in the "real" vote. And in most states the law does not require an elector to vote for his/her party's candidate at all. So in theory, the Republican candidate could win a state, and out of the pool of electors selected by the Republican Party in that state, one or more could cast their vote for the Democrat, the Libertarian, or somebody else altogether.

The choice is usually narrowed down to a half dozen or so by the the time election day rolls around. (there were 6 in 2004...Bush, Kerry, Nader, Badnarik, Peroutka,Cobb)

That's a little off the mark as well. Who you can vote for depends on which state you're in. If you look (for last election) at only the candidates who were on the ballots in enough states to have a mathematical chance of winning, then your list is pretty much right, IIRC. But there actually were other candidates, some of whom were on the ballots in as few as one state. And at least one of whom is not legally eligible to be President, by virtue of not being a natural born US citizen. All told, there were over a dozen candidates who were on at least one ballot. I think the actual number was something like 16-18, but it might have been over 20.

EDIT: the actual number was 17 candidates who appeared on at least one general ballot. This is according to This page at the FEC

And another fly in the ointment... some states count all write-in votes (I think New Hampshire is one), so you could theoretically vote for anybody you choose if you live in one of those states. (Unfortunately my state, NC, is not one of those).