Why does AJ feeley Deserve another chance at starting? He failed last season

[PerfectSZN]

I will tell you this. We will look like stupid jackass fools if we don't try to find out.

I agree here. Unless Frerotte shows that he is head and shoulders above Feeley, we need to start Feeley and see if he is ever going to amount to anything.

 

[Zeke0123]

YOU are so smart it makes me shiver

You make me :sleep:

 

[finjim]

thank God Saban is smarter than the people starting these threads :shakeno:

 

[Alxphins]

The QBs you mentioned also had a supporting cast, which was not the case for Feeley last year.

He had a supporting cast in Philly went they went 5-1 and his production was nothing to write home about as a QB. Also there are plenty of QB's that put up better numbers with inept offenses. I mean EVERY QB in the NFL had a better passer rating than Feely last year including Carson Plamer (less experience) Brian Griese, Vinnie Testaverde, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey and Kerry Collins (Please note the Raiders rushed for less yards than we did last year). All these were significantly better than Feeley (none with stellar offenses all in the bottom half of the NFL or there abouts). For example you say flashes with Ramsey that indicate that he just may become a good quality starter.

Bottom line is I just don't see Feeley elevating the play of the players arounds him whatsoever. I don't think he instills confidence in his teammates or else you would see more people lobbying for him to start. From what I have seen and read there seems to be more support for Sage than AJ, I am not sure what that means.

I really don't think he is entitled to a learning curve anymore. I mean he is not a first year player and he has been in the NFL long enough. In any event the only QB's that will be allowed to play through horrible spurts are the Eli Manning's and Alex Smith's of the world because the teams have so much invested in them. If your Feeley, for better or worse, it is, as a prior poster put it, what have you done for me latley......

 

[Canadianfishfan]

What is everyone smoking, what is gus doing that is so great.
Feeley has completed 65% of his passes in the 3 preseason games.
Gus has completed 49% of his passes in the 3 preseason games.
Are you going to argue that gus threw a TD pass, which he didn't even mean to throw to that player, so it really shouldn't count anyway. Gus was sacked 4 times, Feeley only once. O.K. feeley did throw 1 int., But gus fumbled twice and once for a td. So even Feeley is winning the turnover battle as well. Gus got one TD by an errant throw and gave up a TD with a fumble.
Please some show me the stats that Gus is better, that's all need to know is why he deserves the Job?

The COACHES and PLAYERS are behind Frerotte. I didn't say AJ was worse... but it is appearent AJ is the number 2. And for a reason. You may view it differently fellow Dolphan, but either way AJ has to prove something. Not to the fans.. but to the team and coaches...

Its just the way it is. AJ has been around long enough. He isnt going to "develop" much more. Like I have said all along I WANT THE BEST PLAYER POSSIBLE AT THE POSITION. If it's AJ....... great... If not.. so be it.

Im not AJ hating.. its just that he is in the number 2 slot right now... I just want him to go out and own that job.. otherwise arguing is pointless. The coaches will select their choice by other factors.

 

[Disnardo]

He would not perform because he does not throw an accurate ball like Peyton Manning. Peyton manning makes his teamates better. He puts the ball right on their chest. Obviously we have Chris Chambers, not saying that he isn't a marvin harrison but Marivn has been around a consistent accurate passer and has enjoyed a great deal of success unlike Chambers.

I think its been proven when you put a new quarterback in, it makes the whole team around him more confident. Our offensive line just lacks of confidence. AJ feeley looked so inexperienced at the quarterback position last season that it wasn't even funny.

Did you forget about the 28 INTs that Peyton threw in his first full season? He had more INTs than TD's in 16 games, and had a 56% comp to AJs 54% (huge difference right?). Also Indi went 3-13 that year (1998), even though they had Faulk with over 1300 yds on the ground...

AJ has had only 13 starts in the NFL and a record of 7-6 as the starter...

I am not saying that AJ is another Peyton, but you are viewing and stating facts that we in no way can tell how it will turn out, it's just your opinion that AJ will not perform in Indi... You must be kidding right???

Even JR can perform in the Indi system...:-)

 

[Phinz4Life]

You can't judge his performance based on last years team. It was AWFUL. Nobody can succeed in something like that.

 

[bdmagnum]

He had a supporting cast in Philly went they went 5-1 and his production was nothing to write home about as a QB. Also there are plenty of QB's that put up better numbers with inept offenses. I mean EVERY QB in the NFL had a better passer rating than Feely last year including Carson Plamer (less experience) Brian Griese, Vinnie Testaverde, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey and Kerry Collins (Please note the Raiders rushed for less yards than we did last year). All these were significantly better than Feeley (none with stellar offenses all in the bottom half of the NFL or there abouts). For example you say flashes with Ramsey that indicate that he just may become a good quality starter.

Bottom line is I just don't see Feeley elevating the play of the players arounds him whatsoever. I don't think he instills confidence in his teammates or else you would see more people lobbying for him to start. From what I have seen and read there seems to be more support for Sage than AJ, I am not sure what that means.

I really don't think he is entitled to a learning curve anymore. I mean he is not a first year player and he has been in the NFL long enough. In any event the only QB's that will be allowed to play through horrible spurts are the Eli Manning's and Alex Smith's of the world because the teams have so much invested in them. If your Feeley, for better or worse, it is, as a prior poster put it, what have you done for me latley......

I'm confused, are you saying you wouldn't be happy with a 5-1 record because his performance was nothing to write home about? You would rather have a stellar performnce and a losing record :shakeno: . With experience comes confidence, from the player and the players around him.

 

[T tes]

Well first of we had a line that was crap last year so we couldnt even get the ball off, second when we did get it off it was mainly int because the defense looked for passes because they knew we had no runninggame, and finally it was under wannys sytem a completely different and extremely less effiecient system.

 

[Megatron]

You make me :sleep:

I don't even bother with the trolls anymore. I just flag their posts with the Mods and let them bury themselves right out of Finheaven. All it takes is a couple of insults by them and they're gone so fast it's like they were never here in the first place.:D

 

[Alxphins]

I'm confused, are you saying you wouldn't be happy with a 5-1 record because his performance was nothing to write home about? You would rather have a stellar performnce and a losing record :shakeno: . With experience comes confidence, from the player and the players around him.

Nothing to be confused about. I was commenting on his ability as a QB to move the team and put points on the board. In that context he did nothing special. They went 5-1 because of their defense. He threw 6 tds and 6 ints during those games. .

Second, his rating last year was a 61 with I can't remember how many td's returned for touchdowns. Why is it that Patrick Ramsey, for example, or Carson Palmer who have less experience in terms of years in the NFL performed so much better. They did not have great offenses.

But lets forget about all that because the real issue here is that what we say, obviously, means nothing. The real answer is in the following facts:

The people whos opinion matters, the players and coaches, overwhelmingly do not support Feeley. They are the ones who practice with him and/or evaluate him. Confidence in your QB comes from seeing him perform in practice and in games, two things Feeley has not done. So unless he has a mighty turn around (which I hope he does but does not seem likely) he will have been a waste of a second round pick. He just has not been, to date, even an average starting QB. His carreer rating is 67 for 18 games.

 

[Bodom]

our entire team failed last season...

 

[bdmagnum]

Nothing to be confused about. I was commenting on his ability as a QB to move the team and put points on the board. In that context he did nothing special. They went 5-1 because of their defense. He threw 6 tds and 6 ints during those games. .

Second, his rating last year was a 61 with I can't remember how many td's returned for touchdowns. Why is it that Patrick Ramsey, for example, or Carson Palmer who have less experience in terms of years in the NFL performed so much better. They did not have great offenses.

But lets forget about all that because the real issue here is that what we say, obviously, means nothing. The real answer is in the following facts:

The people whos opinion matters, the players and coaches, overwhelmingly do not support Feeley. They are the ones who practice with him and/or evaluate him. Confidence in your QB comes from seeing him perform in practice and in games, two things Feeley has not done. So unless he has a mighty turn around (which I hope he does but does not seem likely) he will have been a waste of a second round pick. He just has not been, to date, even an average starting QB. His carreer rating is 67 for 18 games.

First of all, it was a 5-1 record, the "TEAM" (AJ included) did what they had to do to achieve tha trecoed. I'd be very happy if we could that this year, especailly with the defense we have.

Second, you talk about experience. To prove your point, you talk about number of years in the NFL experience instead of actual game experience, big difference. As I said before, the more experience he gets the better he will be. It's like riding a bike, everyone starts off with training wheels. Eventually, with more experience, the training wheels come off. Does that mean you won't fall down? No. He's going to make mistakes, everyone does, but with more experience, those mistakes should not happen as often.

Finally, the people around him, IMO, feel more confident in Gus, right now, because he knows the system better than AJ at this point. That would happen at any job. I deploy to a ship in a few days and I know they will hook me up with someone who has been on the ship for awhile and knows how things run, instead of putting me with someone just learning as I will be.

 

[cnyphinfan]

He had a supporting cast in Philly went they went 5-1 and his production was nothing to write home about as a QB. Also there are plenty of QB's that put up better numbers with inept offenses. I mean EVERY QB in the NFL had a better passer rating than Feely last year including Carson Plamer (less experience) Brian Griese, Vinnie Testaverde, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey and Kerry Collins (Please note the Raiders rushed for less yards than we did last year). All these were significantly better than Feeley (none with stellar offenses all in the bottom half of the NFL or there abouts). For example you say flashes with Ramsey that indicate that he just may become a good quality starter.

Bottom line is I just don't see Feeley elevating the play of the players arounds him whatsoever. I don't think he instills confidence in his teammates or else you would see more people lobbying for him to start. From what I have seen and read there seems to be more support for Sage than AJ, I am not sure what that means.

I really don't think he is entitled to a learning curve anymore. I mean he is not a first year player and he has been in the NFL long enough. In any event the only QB's that will be allowed to play through horrible spurts are the Eli Manning's and Alex Smith's of the world because the teams have so much invested in them. If your Feeley, for better or worse, it is, as a prior poster put it, what have you done for me latley......

Please do not compare Kerry Collins' situation with that of Feeley's. :shakeno: Kerry Collins had an actual offensive coordinator that could make his QB's life easier and put them in a position to succeed. Kerry was not under constant pressure from the opposing D because of his sieve like line. While I understand that Oakland did not run the ball well last year, they only allowed 25 sacks on Collins in 14 games. Compare that with 23 sacks surrendered by Miami when Feeley was the starter, which was for 11 games and parts of another. And those do not indicate how many times he was under intense pressure and threw it away. And let's not forget that Feeley had to play against stiffer competition while Collins played in the mostly defenseless AFC west. Feeley has still not been able to be brought under the tutelage of a good OC in Miami, until now, so he needs to be given the chance. And remember, he was never regarded as a great practice player.....so you see his best when the lights come on. Give him some time in the good situation he has now and if he fails, we can always turn back to Gus, who is less of a question mark in that we know what he can and cannot do.

 

[Spegg]

He made a lot of horrible mistakes last season that made me vomit. I don't want to see another season of him throwing interceptions for touchdowns. He actually helped our opponents more than he helped our team.

Hell, look at Jay Fiedler. Didn't we give him plenty of chances already?

The whole damn team failed last year. If the o-line doesn't improve we will fail this year too. I sure hope Houck can get these guys on the same page.
Then we can argue who should be the QB.