Why does everyone think Cleveland is going to beat us?

[jason_taylor]

Cleveland played 2 of the worst teams in the NFL and looked bad, and I'm not sure how anyone could look at their roster and think they have more talent than Miami. Hillis is overrated. Close game but Miami wins early.

ohh they are nowhere near as talented as miami , thats not the point . point is coaching we are sorry as hell at coaching . point is you can take a talented team ,and a less talented team and if you know how to coach and know the talented teams weakness you can take the less talented and out coach them . point is its not all about talent you got to know how to coach something we dont know or sparono dosent know .

 

[MiamiNative0722]

ohh they are nowhere near as talented as miami , thats not the point . point is coaching we are sorry as hell at coaching . point is you can take a talented team ,and a less talented team and if you know how to coach and know the talented teams weakness you can take the less talented and out coach them . point is its not all about talent you got to know how to coach something we dont know or sparono dosent know .

Apparently you haven't read this thread,

according to people on this forum the dolphins have no talent whatsoever and Cleveland has more talent everywhere

 

[Zounds]

ohh they are nowhere near as talented as miami , thats not the point . point is coaching we are sorry as hell at coaching . point is you can take a talented team ,and a less talented team and if you know how to coach and know the talented teams weakness you can take the less talented and out coach them . point is its not all about talent you got to know how to coach something we dont know or sparono dosent know .

Cleveland is one of the few NFL teams that's coaching is worse than Miami's.

 

[Zounds]

so you stand by the fact that he outplayed both ronnie and ricky on an inferior team as well than?

I said Peyton Hillis is overrated. What does Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams have to do with ANYTHING in this thread?

 

[2413fanphins]

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I said Peyton Hillis is overrated. What does Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams have to do with ANYTHING in this thread?

because I said dolphins fans would have loved to have him playing the way he did last year here... peyton hillis is who I was talking about playing here... ronnie brown and ricky williams are who we had instead.... I don't know how else to portray it.

I don't see him as being overrated. as a matter of fact given the fact that we can't tackle worth a ****, I'd imagine I will get real tired of seeing him run all over us. maybe the weather will be nice enough to go golfing.

 

[WVDolphan]

As a group the only corps they have better is the Running back, the QB, and maybe the O line but its rocked and not at its best

Cleveland is awful we limit the running game they have nothing, and they wont stop our offense either, If Gradkowski could beat them, so can Henne

LMAO at you pretending our team is so much more talented than Cleveland then you procede to follow it up by admitting they have better RBs, a better QB, and a better OL(although you blame this on our current injuries). You do realize that is OVER HALF OF THE OFFENSE!!!!

Basically you just admitted when you think about it that their offensive talent is superior to ours. Truth is Cleveland isnt a good team and you just dont know very much about them. The SAD TRUTH is that we simply are very close to them in talent, probably a shade below.

Face it, our offense blows. Our QB has a good game once or twice a season, plays very average in a few games, and quite below average in most. Our OL is a complete mess. We count on a rookie RB who played well in his first game, but also fumbled in a critical spot. Our other RB is a playmaker, but not a guy who can carry a team. We have a total of 2 outstanding players on offense. One is a LT who is banged up. The other is a WR who is hurt by the play of our QB. Outside of Brandon Marshall, Cleveland can match or beat our talent at every spot on offense.

Defensively, MikeO is correct again. Haden is superior to any CB we have. D. Jackson is a very underrated LB who missed a lot of time with injury, but is back and playing very well this year. When healthy, as he is now, he is a very good player. I would like to think our defense is better overall, but their play this season leaves something to desire. Its going to be up to them to win this game by shutting down a very mediocre Browns offense. Problem is we have no ability to stop TEs. Cleveland has 2 good players at that position in Watson and Moore. Look for them to be redzone weapons if Hillis dosent pound it into the endzone on us before they have to even face passing downs.

Put down the madden cover and watch games. Then you may get familiar with some of the other teams and realize exactly how far we are behind the rest of the league. The Browns arent a great team by any stretch, but they have other good players besides Hillis.

Lastly, did it escape your mind that not too many regular season games ago the Browns defeated us on our own field?

 

[PHANTASTIC13]

With davis questionable and nolan carrol starting you know where the browns will be attacking
thats at least 2 touchdowns right there..

There is a flip side to that statement, the Browns have some injuries in the secondary as well...Joe Hayden is injured and is questionable for Sundays game. They are no where near Miami as far as depth is concerned. Here is how I see it...

Offensive line EVEN

Quarterback Dolphins Henne has the stronger arm

Running Backs Browns Peyton Hillis is a beast!

Wide Receivers Dolphins Brandon Marshall is a beast!

Tight Ends Browns Ben Watson and Evan Moore are better than Fasano

Defensive line Dolphins Cameron Wake is better than Phil Taylor right at the moment

Linebackers Dolphins The Browns best is D'Qwell Jackson, Dolphins best is Carlos Dansby, I will go with the Pro Bowler over the often injured here

Secondary EVEN Joe Hayden is fast becoming one of the best cover corners in the league, TJ Ward is a hard hitting safety, Vontae Davis and Sean Smith had a rough two weeks, but look who they played versus who the Browns played...big difference

Kickers EVEN Slight edge to the kickers to Browns, slight edge to the Dolphins with the punters, Clevelands punter is terrible

Return game Browns Josh Cribbs is better than anyone Miami has, now if they would've kept Ginn as the returner...this would be as closer to even.

Coaches Browns Pat Shermer has broght a West Coast offense to Cleveland and it seems to suit Colt McCoy's short to medium passing game perfectly. The Browns are loaded with good RB's and TE's, expect a lot of short passes to the RB's and TE's and plenty of Peyton Hillis. The Dolphins would be wise to establish the run early and then attack the secondary, stay away from Hayden and Ward. On defense stop the Browns running game and force McCoy to throw under pressure, they should be able to force some mistakes by the Browns.

 

[dlockz]

Tell me the talent other than Peyton Hillis! This is such nonsense to think that Cleveland is better than us!

Look at the talent on our team, the receivers the d line the linebackers the secondary is all better than theirs! Their O line is not that great without Steinbach, Colt Mccoy is not that great a QB,

They lost the BENGALS! with an injured Andy Dalton!

Joe Thomas,Alex mack both probowlers. Atyba rubin should have been a probowler last year, Dqwell jackson, Joe Haden so they do have talent. Colt Mccoy is not great and neither is henne

 

[dlockz]

There is a flip side to that statement, the Browns have some injuries in the secondary as well...Joe Hayden is injured and is questionable for Sundays game. They are no where near Miami as far as depth is concerned. Here is how I see it...

Offensive line EVEN

Quarterback Dolphins Henne has the stronger arm

Running Backs Browns Peyton Hillis is a beast!

Wide Receivers Dolphins Brandon Marshall is a beast!

Tight Ends Browns Ben Watson and Evan Moore are better than Fasano

Defensive line Dolphins Cameron Wake is better than Phil Taylor right at the moment

Linebackers Dolphins The Browns best is D'Qwell Jackson, Dolphins best is Carlos Dansby, I will go with the Pro Bowler over the often injured here

Secondary EVEN Joe Hayden is fast becoming one of the best cover corners in the league, TJ Ward is a hard hitting safety, Vontae Davis and Sean Smith had a rough two weeks, but look who they played versus who the Browns played...big difference

Kickers EVEN Slight edge to the kickers to Browns, slight edge to the Dolphins with the punters, Clevelands punter is terrible

Return game Browns Josh Cribbs is better than anyone Miami has, now if they would've kept Ginn as the returner...this would be as closer to even.

Coaches Browns Pat Shermer has broght a West Coast offense to Cleveland and it seems to suit Colt McCoy's short to medium passing game perfectly. The Browns are loaded with good RB's and TE's, expect a lot of short passes to the RB's and TE's and plenty of Peyton Hillis. The Dolphins would be wise to establish the run early and then attack the secondary, stay away from Hayden and Ward. On defense stop the Browns running game and force McCoy to throw under pressure, they should be able to force some mistakes by the Browns.

offensive line is not even. Cleveland has two probowlers on that line.

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

all i know is that if we lose this week, 0-5 is a big possibility, and i dont want to see that.

lets just win this week, so us fans can maybe, just maybe have something positive to talk about come sunday night.

 

[buttonwood]

THe Dolphins will beat Cleveland this week. Stop worrying.

 

[jason_taylor]

Apparently you haven't read this thread,

according to people on this forum the dolphins have no talent whatsoever and Cleveland has more talent everywhere

i guess you didnt read all the thread because i said that dont be susprised if the browns dont beat us and i said we are the underdog.

 

[jason_taylor]

Apparently you haven't read this thread,

according to people on this forum the dolphins have no talent whatsoever and Cleveland has more talent everywhere

go look at thread #17

 

[Lilseb93]

I think Miami will win this game, but it's on the road so it's kind of expected.

 

[Mogwai]

I didn't think any team was capable of losing to that miserable Delhomme led Browns team from last year, but the Dolphins found a way. After a debacle like that, it can't help but seem the Browns at home with McCoy are the favorites.