Why I want a new QB

[67Stang]

This article from the New England game is from one game, but is an illustration of exactly how he played all year.

"That's the primary lesson of Miami's 27-24 loss to New England on a crisp Saturday in Gillette Stadium during which Moore looked so in command in the first half and then so out of sorts in the second".

"Moore passed for 179 yards and two touchdowns without an interception in the first half, but only 115 (mostly cosmetic) yards and one (absolutely cosmetic) touchdown with an interception thereafter".

"Then came the final two quarters stuffed full of the kind of quarterback errors (the lost fumble, the interception, a couple of sacks when he should have dumped the ball) that frequently change the course of a game".

This one cracked me up!

"It was underthrown," Moore said of the picked-off pass. "I'd like to think it got caught in the wind, but I just have to make a better throw."

Cosmetic is a very good word that describes Moore, the numbers might make you look twice but take off the makeup and the truth is easy to see if you actually want to see it; some don't. I would love to keep him as a back up, but if he is our starter next season, it will be another lonnnnnnng one.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports...cond-half-errors-help-illustrate-2054100.html

 

[jlfin]

Agreed. That game was there to be won and Moore's mishandling of the ball in back to back possessions gave the momentum back to NE

 

[67Stang]

Same with the fumble in the Denver game and the same with the fumble before half time in the Cowboys game.

 

[Mr. Day]

What about the lack of halftime adjustments by the coaching staff? Don't you think the ineptitude of our past coaching staff had something to do with Moore's miscues? I am not a firm believer in Moore, but he is not terrible. I would rather hold on to him until we can find a true franchise quarterback as opposed to reaching too far for someone that may not pan out.

 

[Padfoot]

Moore's problems might be things he can improve upon. He has yet to play a full season, maybe with some consistent playing time he could learn to cut down on his mistakes.

I won't bet on it, but I don't want a new QB just to have a new QB. So unless we're brining in Manning or RGIII, I prefer to give Moore a shot at a full season.

 

[67Stang]

What about the lack of halftime adjustments by the coaching staff? Don't you think the ineptitude of our past coaching staff had something to do with Moore's miscues? I am not a firm believer in Moore, but he is not terrible. I would rather hold on to him until we can find a true franchise quarterback as opposed to reaching too far for someone that may not pan out.

Fumbles and ints have nothing to do with half time adjustments and everything to do with QB play. I do agree that Sparano was horrible at adjustments.

 

[luduporcu]

Agreed. That game was there to be won and Moore's mishandling of the ball in back to back possessions gave the momentum back to NE

I don't agree at all. Put someone decent at RT, and MOORE gets to play like a for-real QB...like BRADY does, just sitting in the "pocket" all day, and letting the play develop. Blame should go where it belongs, and that's NOT MOORE. Put MOORE behind N.E.'s OL and w/N.E.'s Coaches, or put MOORE behind GB's OL, w/GB's "weapons" and Coaches, and i/m/o you have a franchise QB.

As long as football is a "team game" (and it has always been so), it MATTERS who your friends are. That not only includes COLUMBO and HENNING/SPARANO/PARCELLS, but also "alpha" WRs who drop LOTS of TD passes. I wonder how many TD passes WELKER dropped last season?

 

[vagrantprodigy]

The man fumbles constantly. He fumbled 14 times in his 12.5 games. Henne fumbled 0 times in his games this season. So you can't blame it all on the oline. When you turn the ball over that much, you aren't going to win the game.

 

[Danny]

Moore is a good back up but with the turnovers he starts reminding me of Fiedler and that's not a good thing.

Ozzy rules!!

 

[NRA]

the only thing i get from from this semi rant is stats dont matter, only the FEW mistakes HE made against playoff [and 1 dynasty] teams matter.

funny how things like moore leading THE WHOLE NFL in plays over 20 yds are missing.

more td's than int's [that means more big plays than mistakes.] somehow missing.

he was 6-3 down the stretch [but winning makes no difference at all, only who you play].

the rest of the teams lackings or miscues or poor coaching have NO bearing on any of these games being lost. only matt moores "mistakes" lose games. the pats average about 36 points a game, against great teams much less ones who have i decent cb, average safeties and ONE legit pass rusher. THAT DAMNED MATT MOORE!!!

it doesnt matter that moore is a glorified rookie who has LESS than 2 seasons worth of games under his belt, his current short season was off the bench, short camp, not knowing the offense and NO time with the starters. how is he supposed to be a franchise qb or even time to develope under those circumstances? no of any qb who has had those same circumstances with that few games and reached FRANCHISE qb level?

i dont.

cam newton? pretty phenom stuff. no playoffs. how come? i thought all you needed was a huge yards qb? what happened? you also LOSE as a team. one season wonder? the next marino? we shall see.

the broncos have a whole lot of teams still asking, "how did that team beat us? and they beat some good teams and made the playoffs. and i think even YOU stang would agree moore has much better all around game than tebow. they won as a TEAM.

you left out the fact matt moore won more games than he lost. so if i have you correct, matts wins were because of the team and their losses were on matt. correct?

matt moore has a ways to go to be labeled "franchise" but the moore detractors just either ignore the fact the guy has had a limited amount of nfl games with bad teams [two of which the staffs were completely gutted at seasons end]. in both teams he had limited camps and came off the bench. so you look at our team as a whole, the short time in the nfl he has had, losing teams, bad coaching staffs and YOU HAVE TO ADMIT he has a whole lot of room for growth? and did a phenominal job despite those circumstances.

anyone thinks RG3 is coming in here to the wco from a college program that was a 1 read philosophy and NO time under center [where a wco qb makes his living] and he is going to come in here, put matt moore on the bench and take this team to the playoffs is FOOLISH?

How many games will you give rg3 or flynn to label them as our "franchise" qb or just a backup? how long will it take to start screaming about o-line and dropped td passes and porous defenses when either of them doesnt produce a playoff appearance? 1st year? second year? what if they came in late because of contract issues or a small injury and had almost no camp and NO time with the starters and then not produce a winning season. would you take those factors of no camp and no time with starters and not knowing the offense into concideration for his "mistakes"? it would start IMEDATELY!! but how come matt moore doesnt get the same benefit of those VERY shortcomings?

and it would be FOOLISH to ask any qb, flynn, rg3, or moore to have those circumstances and put in a franchise qb season. or even be labeled as one. FOOLISH!!

just like this thread.

 

[NRA]

Moore is a good back up but with the turnovers he starts reminding me of Fiedler and that's not a good thing.

DANNY: did fiedler EVER lead the leauge in 20+ yds or more plays?

no.

i could go on and on, but i will let you do some leg work................

please post feidlers career turnovers [int's and fumbles] to matt moores career [if you can call his limited amount of starts a career] for us. i am sure you did this research BEFORE making that statement, but just so folks can see it on "paper".

seeif matt moore still reminds you of feidler.

right when you think you have heard it all.

this moore bashing is coming to new levels every day!

 

[greasyObnoxious]

well, Moore blows Fiedler out of the water as far as fumbles are concerned. Fiedler had 29 fumbles in 76 games. Moore has 22 fumbles in 35 games (!!)

 

[absoluteLance]

From the first drive in the first patriots game. This team had the weapons and every opportunity to make the playoffs. Poor execution and lack execution. You talk of 20+ yard plays. Big deal if we only score 20 passing tds all season. Its not enough. The teams deep in the playoff hunt are throwing upwards to 4k yards a season and double the touch downs. Matt moore is fine to manage the game. But hes not a game changer. Hes not up there with brady or manning or rogers or brees. We need ELITE qb play

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

From the first drive in the first patriots game. This team had the weapons and every opportunity to make the playoffs. Poor execution and lack execution. You talk of 20+ yard plays. Big deal if we only score 20 passing tds all season. Its not enough. The teams deep in the playoff hunt are throwing upwards to 4k yards a season and double the touch downs. Matt moore is fine to manage the game. But hes not a game changer. Hes not up there with brady or manning or rogers or brees. We need ELITE qb play

no one will argue on that point with you.

the thing is, elite qbs dont grow on trees. unfortunately, andrew luck will not be their for us, so their is the only hope of getting an elite franchise qb in the draft, and the closest qb to elite ( and hes as elite as can be but how healthy will he be) is peyton manning. im all for bringing manning in as a free agent, because if healthy, he will cover up many weaknesses we have and make us superbowl contenders.

the thing that boggles my mind is not that people want an upgrade over moore, but think that upgrade is flynn. people speak of flynn like hes ****ing joe montana, tom brady, dan marino, etc on here.

the guy has played in a total of 3 games in the nfl with more than 2 quarters played, and hes 1-2 in those games. he has a weak arm, seems like he has a bit of happy feet, and yet people are drooling over him. also, matt flynn has not had a stretch in the nfl of good qb play, as all his starts (all 2) have not been consective, but a year apart. who knows if he can take the beatings a qb take week after week.

look how many qbs in the nfl have not only had good games, but better, good seasons, and they get big contracts, and they ****ing blow. kevin kolb comes to mind, how about derek anderson, he led a browns team in 07 to a 10-6 record, and despite not making the playoffs, with his stellar play, he got a new deal i believe, and now he is a nobody. scott mitchell also comes to mind. their are so many qbs like that. i know people are going to say flynn is different then those guys, ya the difference is those guys did over a week to week basis in a year, as opposed to flynn who has not started 2 consecutive games in his career. yet, people think he is our savior.

if our new qb is peyton manning, great i will be excited, if we somehow miracuiously got andrew luck, great id also be excited, but if its between giving matt flynn 5 years 60 plus million with his little play in the nfl so far, or matt moore, who we have for dirt cheap, who despite some troubles last year, he also showed some glimpses, and we can draft a qb and if moore blows we have an easy decision, good bye moore, and if he is good, we have a situation on our hand, ill take moore over flynn, and i dont care if im in the minority or not. its not really saying much how i want moore over flynn, they both have not proven enough in the nfl to be labeled as franchise guys, but between the 2, moore has played well at a consistent level at times in the nfl, as opposed to flynn who has not yet.

 

[Geforce]

Moore's problems might be things he can improve upon. He has yet to play a full season, maybe with some consistent playing time he could learn to cut down on his mistakes.

I won't bet on it, but I don't want a new QB just to have a new QB. So unless we're brining in Manning or RGIII, I prefer to give Moore a shot at a full season.

Moore's biggest problems are the same ones he has always had, inconsistent accuracy and decision making.