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Why is everybody so quick 2 4get that tannehill was supposed to sit for 2-3 years

RT needs reps and some semblance of a functional offense around him just like 90 percent of Qb's out there.

No one is annointing the RT as future Hall of Famer... yet some of you with your hate on RT is just beyond logical. Either you are trolling or this is some sort of agenda.
 
"Kid is playing with a horrible oline horrible run game injury depleted weaponry w keller binns gibson gone and WRs who cantr separate."

Wallace cantr separate just fine Monday night. It has got to be thrown in bounds.
 
Tannehill was a 24 year old rookie. Not only couldn't we afford to let him sit for 2-3 years, but the fact that he was inexperienced at 24 strongly hints that plenty of the ready-made excuses for him were not valid. When you've never been special at that age, and coaches have found reason to start others ahead of you, the tag franchise quarterback is highly suspect at best. What makes him a franchise quarterback, simply because somebody decided to make him the guy? There's nothing in his background to warrant that label.

We may defeat the Chargers this week but we are spotting Philip Rivers more than 1.5 yards per attempt. That's not fun. Rivers is above 8.3 YPA while Tannehill is slightly below 6.7. Now, yards per attempt isn't everything. Kansas City has atrocious numbers behind Alex Smith this year. It's one of the reasons I haven't worried much about an unbeaten team into November. But as myself, ckparrothead, shouright and others have repeatedly pointed out, YPA is a trump card category year after year. Heck, Philbin referred to quarterback differential in his opening presser, and that category relies heavily on YPA.

I expected Tannehill to move above 7 YPA this season. I hoped for 7.5+ but I would settle for 7.2. He's actually slightly below his final number from last season. More troubling, his completion percentage is up several points yet his YPA is lower. That only aligns via low yards per completion, and Tannehill's is terrible. He's below 11 YPC, which is one of the worst numbers in the league and 8 tenths of a yard behind his rookie season, despite superior toys. He's simply not making enough plays down the field.

As PALMA and others have emphasized, we don't score enough points to win consistently in this league. Special quarterbacks shake off the excuses and poor planning by their coaches and will the ball into the end zone. So far Tannehill is too low key and unremarkable, seemingly willing to accept the overall team trend and not take on any additional burden or pressure.
 
that ypa number would bother me more if we didn't have the worst pass pro in football and the most sacked qb in the league...not to mention a nonexistent running game

you can't dial up routes that threaten the field more on a consistent basis when you don't trust the protection...and i don't care what anyone says it's obvious sherman does not trust the protection with the route depths and the formations etc...they try to get away from 5 man protects as much as possible but it's hard to do that in the 2 minute and when you have to go fast...and we get exposed in those scenarios pass pro wise especially when the d knows we must pass...

add in you can't work the field vertical off pa very often cause the defense doesn't have to respect the run and you have tannehill having to dump the ball off to his underneath receiving options also

imo the ypa is a direct reflection of the oc not trusting the protection (for good reason) the lack of a running game and as a result the inability to work the field vertical off pa other than a shot or two per game...
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I expected Tannehill to move above 7 YPA this season. I hoped for 7.5+ but I would settle for 7.2. He's actually slightly below his final number from last season. More troubling, his completion percentage is up several points yet his YPA is lower. That only aligns via low yards per completion, and Tannehill's is terrible. He's below 11 YPC, which is one of the worst numbers in the league and 8 tenths of a yard behind his rookie season, despite superior toys. He's simply not making enough plays down the field.
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As much as you would like to put this all on Tannehill, it is not that simple. Clearly pass protection, play action passing, drops (Mike Wallace), running the route properly (Mike Wallace), etc. have an impact on the efficiency of the passing game. Has Tannehill been great? No, but IMO, he is performing pretty well under terrible circumstances. Just ask Andrew Luck how some pass protection and a running game can alter things from week to week (check his games against the Rams and the Titans). You guys are brutal with your attempts to pin everything on the QB. Should the Colts have benched Luck after the Rams game?
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
As much as you would like to put this all on Tannehill, it is not that simple. Clearly pass protection, play action passing, drops (Mike Wallace), running the route properly (Mike Wallace), etc. have an impact on the efficiency of the passing game. Has Tannehill been great? No, but IMO, he is performing pretty well under terrible circumstances. Just ask Andrew Luck how some pass protection and a running game can alter things from week to week (check his games against the Rams and the Titans). You guys are brutal with your attempts to pin everything on the QB. Should the Colts have benched Luck after the Rams game?
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yeah the colts...gifted a short yardage conversion that luck never got anywhere near the sticks on and what happens they kick a fg that ends up being the difference in the game...worse they reviewed it on a challenge and upheld it...way to be a deciding factor nfl officials and to get it wrong YET AGAIN

i wish miami would get the benefit of some of these calls that i see certain teams getting them routinely on...definitely makes me wonder if there's some other things going on here
 
2 superbowl MVPs are tied with Tannehill for YPA right now so I wouldn't put much stock into that stat, at least in the short term.
 
hooshoops said:
that ypa number would bother me more if we didn't have the worst pass pro in football and the most sacked qb in the league...not to mention a nonexistent running game

you can't dial up routes that threaten the field more on a consistent basis when you don't trust the protection...and i don't care what anyone says it's obvious sherman does not trust the protection with the route depths and the formations etc...they try to get away from 5 man protects as much as possible but it's hard to do that in the 2 minute and when you have to go fast...and we get exposed in those scenarios pass pro wise especially when the d knows we must pass...

add in you can't work the field vertical off pa very often cause the defense doesn't have to respect the run and you have tannehill having to dump the ball off to his underneath receiving options also

imo the ypa is a direct reflection of the oc not trusting the protection (for good reason) the lack of a running game and as a result the inability to work the field vertical off pa other than a shot or two per game...
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Excellent post.

One thing that I have seen mentioned about Tannehill is his mental toughness. He doesn't seem to get discouraged. He also doesn't seem to be panicking in the pocket. That has me hopeful that when the OL issues get straightened out, Tannehill will still be able to take advantage.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
Excellent post.

One thing that I have seen mentioned about Tannehill is his mental toughness. He doesn't seem to get discouraged. He also doesn't seem to be panicking in the pocket. That has me hopeful that when the OL issues get straightened out, Tannehill will still be able to take advantage.
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he just needs to keep working on the way he works the pocket...andrew luck is a master at it already...and it makes a big difference considering how errant luck can be at times with throws...thus the lower completion percentage...if luck wasn't so good a move and feel in the pocket guy he wouldn't be anywhere near as highly rated as he is...cause he can miss some easy throws with the best of em i can tell ya that...one hoppers balls at the ankles etc...

hard though for tannehill to learn to work the pocket when it's always freaking collapsing there's no running game to make em play it honest with the pass rush and he's not admittedly high end enough with it yet to wiggle his way out of some things...now the complete collapsing from the outside and the inside that we have seen a lot of not a damn thing he can do except try and step up or just chuck it out of bounds but the way things are going i think he'd get his arm ****ed and be hit and we'd hear people bitching about his inability to not fumble or throwing a pick just trying to get the ball out on arm contact etc

it never ends with some of these fools...
 
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Dick Pepperwood said:
"Kid is playing with a horrible oline horrible run game injury depleted weaponry w keller binns gibson gone and WRs who cantr separate."

Wallace cantr separate just fine Monday night. It has got to be thrown in bounds.
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For Wallace, it needs to be handed to him. He has the catch radius of a T-Rex.
 
hartline has a bigger catch radius than mike wallace...that should tell you a lot...that hartline ids coverage and leverage better than wallace does and so when tannehill places the ball away from the leverage or coverage hartline sees it right...thus the chemistry those two have...

can only hope wallace in time gets better with it...or we will continue to see more catchable tipped balls out of mike wallace when he reads it wrong...
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Tannehill was a 24 year old rookie. Not only couldn't we afford to let him sit for 2-3 years, but the fact that he was inexperienced at 24 strongly hints that plenty of the ready-made excuses for him were not valid. When you've never been special at that age, and coaches have found reason to start others ahead of you, the tag franchise quarterback is highly suspect at best. What makes him a franchise quarterback, simply because somebody decided to make him the guy? There's nothing in his background to warrant that label.

We may defeat the Chargers this week but we are spotting Philip Rivers more than 1.5 yards per attempt. That's not fun. Rivers is above 8.3 YPA while Tannehill is slightly below 6.7. Now, yards per attempt isn't everything. Kansas City has atrocious numbers behind Alex Smith this year. It's one of the reasons I haven't worried much about an unbeaten team into November. But as myself, ckparrothead, shouright and others have repeatedly pointed out, YPA is a trump card category year after year. Heck, Philbin referred to quarterback differential in his opening presser, and that category relies heavily on YPA.

I expected Tannehill to move above 7 YPA this season. I hoped for 7.5+ but I would settle for 7.2. He's actually slightly below his final number from last season. More troubling, his completion percentage is up several points yet his YPA is lower. That only aligns via low yards per completion, and Tannehill's is terrible. He's below 11 YPC, which is one of the worst numbers in the league and 8 tenths of a yard behind his rookie season, despite superior toys. He's simply not making enough plays down the field.

As PALMA and others have emphasized, we don't score enough points to win consistently in this league. Special quarterbacks shake off the excuses and poor planning by their coaches and will the ball into the end zone. So far Tannehill is too low key and unremarkable, seemingly willing to accept the overall team trend and not take on any additional burden or pressure.
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Another red flag IMO is his college team got A LOT better after he left... Just pointing that out
 
hooshoops said:
he just needs to keep working on the way he works the pocket...andrew luck is a master at it already...and it makes a big difference considering how errant luck can be at times with throws...thus the lower completion percentage...if luck wasn't so good a move and feel in the pocket guy he wouldn't be anywhere near as highly rated as he is...cause he can miss some easy throws with the best of em i can tell ya that...one hoppers balls at the ankles etc...

hard though for tannehill to learn to work the pocket when it's always freaking collapsing there's no running game to make em play it honest with the pass rush and he's not admittedly high end enough with it yet to wiggle his way out of some things...now the complete collapsing from the outside and the inside that we have seen a lot of not a damn thing he can do except try and step up or just chuck it out of bounds but the way things are going i think he'd get his arm ****ed and be hit and we'd hear people bitching about his inability to not fumble or throwing a pick just trying to get the ball out on arm contact etc

it never ends with some of these fools...
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I've said it before....it is nearly impossible to evaluate Tannehill's true ability behind this line. I don't have a problem with the receiving core as they all seem o be doing pretty well (with the exception of Wallace) the thing I can't figure out is are the player really stepping up and playing better or is Tannehill making them look better then they are? I say this because it seems like every week a new get gets a 100 yards receiving. Granted the guys are pretty talented, but Wallace, Hartline, Gibson, Clay and Matthews have all had success working with Tannehill...could it be that out young Ryan is making the players around him better (at least the one's he can have a direct impact on)?
 
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