Why is everybody so quick 2 4get that tannehill was supposed to sit for 2-3 years

[slk018]

yeah the guy disses me but then i get a friend request from him...wtf???

I can't disagree with you and send you a friend request. I read your draft write up that was impressive..

But, you seem to make excuses for Tannehill, and find any stat to fit your opinion of him.

For example: There are many reasons his YPA are low- Bad protection, Wallace drops, no running game. You failed to mention his horribly innacurate deep balls.
Some of the sacks (some not all of course) can be attributed to RT's statue like pocket presence. He cannot feel a rush from either side, doesn't know how to move within the pocket, and doesn't know when to pull it down and run.
The pocket presence and his tendency to shrink late in games are what worry me the most. Although I must admit he has been much better this year late in games!

 

[hoops]

I've said it before....it is nearly impossible to evaluate Tannehill's true ability behind this line. I don't have a problem with the receiving core as they all seem o be doing pretty well (with the exception of Wallace) the thing I can't figure out is are the player really stepping up and playing better or is Tannehill making them look better then they are? I say this because it seems like every week a new get gets a 100 yards receiving. Granted the guys are pretty talented, but Wallace, Hartline, Gibson, Clay and Matthews have all had success working with Tannehill...could it be that out young Ryan is making the players around him better (at least the one's he can have a direct impact on)?

i think the scheme helps our pass catchers make more plays than they probably should...a few exceptions...i think mathews is a solid nfl wr with his physicality and how he can play thru contact...but there's no doubt some of these guys benefit from the system...

and yeah the qbs pretty good at making things happen with crap in front of him and zero run game to take any heat off the pass pro...they fix this oline which again is hard to do in one offseason this qb will take off...he would be right now if not for these damn issues that are not fixable at this point...so we will get more of the same stuff going forward from the qb position and offense as a whole...

 

[slk018]

i think the scheme helps our pass catchers make more plays than they probably should...a few exceptions...i think mathews is a solid nfl wr with his physicality and how he can play thru contact...but there's no doubt some of these guys benefit from the system...

and yeah the qbs pretty good at making things happen with crap in front of him and zero run game to take any heat off the pass pro...they fix this oline which again is hard to do in one offseason this qb will take off...he would be right now if not for these damn issues that are not fixable at this point...so we will get more of the same stuff going forward from the qb position and offense as a whole...

Also,
Tannehill is more comfortable with throwing to the slot receiver, . Usually an easier throw towards the middle of the field, and the best chance for a mismatch (nickel cb, LB or safety). That is why you saw him and Matthews look so good already last week.

 

[FSU Truth]

Also,
Tannehill is more comfortable with throwing to the slot receiver, . Usually an easier throw towards the middle of the field, and the best chance for a mismatch (nickel cb, LB or safety). That is why you saw him and Matthews look so good already last week.

Still a majority of his completions are to the sidelines....

Also I believe most QB's are more comfortable throwing to the middle...like you said....easier throw and the mismatches it creates

 

[hoops]

Also,
Tannehill is more comfortable with throwing to the slot receiver, . Usually an easier throw towards the middle of the field, and the best chance for a mismatch (nickel cb, LB or safety). That is why you saw him and Matthews look so good already last week.

yeah but mathews worked the slot more down the seam...and tannehill would throw away from the coverage and leverage for the completions...different kind of slot wr than gibson...gibby more lined up off the los to give him a clean release and beat you off the ball crossing a defenders face and underneath quickly mathews more down the field and vertical and win with his body and physical size...

tannehill throws the ball away from contact to mathews where only he can get it and away from coverage like a boss...

 

[hoops]

Still a majority of his completions are to the sidelines....

Also I believe most QB's are more comfortable throwing to the middle...like you said....easier throw and the mismatches it creates

if you looked at tannehills college work like i did you would notice he was much better outside the numbers as a passer...not quite as consistent working the inside routes down the field...but i have seen enough in the pros to say he's damn good at either now...

he can throw some ropes on in cutters in the 12-15 yard range and his timing and accuracy and velocity outside the numbers is outstanding from the pocket...

 

[slk018]

Still a majority of his completions are to the sidelines....

Also I believe most QB's are more comfortable throwing to the middle...like you said....easier throw and the mismatches it creates

He feels comfortable with Hartline on the sideline...I wish he would throw to the middle of the field late in games. there have been a few occasions where I felt there was enough time left to take what they were giving over the middle, and use a time out or spike it. They kept forcing it toward the sidelines...

 

[Shouright]

Tannehill was a 24 year old rookie. Not only couldn't we afford to let him sit for 2-3 years, but the fact that he was inexperienced at 24 strongly hints that plenty of the ready-made excuses for him were not valid. When you've never been special at that age, and coaches have found reason to start others ahead of you, the tag franchise quarterback is highly suspect at best. What makes him a franchise quarterback, simply because somebody decided to make him the guy? There's nothing in his background to warrant that label.

We may defeat the Chargers this week but we are spotting Philip Rivers more than 1.5 yards per attempt. That's not fun. Rivers is above 8.3 YPA while Tannehill is slightly below 6.7. Now, yards per attempt isn't everything. Kansas City has atrocious numbers behind Alex Smith this year. It's one of the reasons I haven't worried much about an unbeaten team into November. But as myself, ckparrothead, shouright and others have repeatedly pointed out, YPA is a trump card category year after year. Heck, Philbin referred to quarterback differential in his opening presser, and that category relies heavily on YPA.

I expected Tannehill to move above 7 YPA this season. I hoped for 7.5+ but I would settle for 7.2. He's actually slightly below his final number from last season. More troubling, his completion percentage is up several points yet his YPA is lower. That only aligns via low yards per completion, and Tannehill's is terrible. He's below 11 YPC, which is one of the worst numbers in the league and 8 tenths of a yard behind his rookie season, despite superior toys. He's simply not making enough plays down the field.

As PALMA and others have emphasized, we don't score enough points to win consistently in this league. Special quarterbacks shake off the excuses and poor planning by their coaches and will the ball into the end zone. So far Tannehill is too low key and unremarkable, seemingly willing to accept the overall team trend and not take on any additional burden or pressure.

As much as you would like to put this all on Tannehill, it is not that simple. Clearly pass protection, play action passing, drops (Mike Wallace), running the route properly (Mike Wallace), etc. have an impact on the efficiency of the passing game. Has Tannehill been great? No, but IMO, he is performing pretty well under terrible circumstances. Just ask Andrew Luck how some pass protection and a running game can alter things from week to week (check his games against the Rams and the Titans). You guys are brutal with your attempts to pin everything on the QB. Should the Colts have benched Luck after the Rams game?

QBs who are pressured more often than Ryan Tannehill when dropping back to pass, yet have higher YPAs:

Nick Foles
Michael Vick
Russell Wilson
Colin Kaepernick
Ben Roethlisberger
Robert Griffin III
Geno Smith
Cam Newton
Tony Romo
Jay Cutler
Matt Ryan
Andrew Luck
Terrelle Pryor
Eli Manning
Christian Ponder
Jake Locker
Carson Palmer
Chad Henne

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

QBs who are pressured more often than Ryan Tannehill when dropping back to pass, yet have higher YPAs:

Nick Foles
Michael Vick
Russell Wilson
Colin Kaepernick
Ben Roethlisberger
Robert Griffin III
Geno Smith
Cam Newton
Tony Romo
Jay Cutler
Matt Ryan
Andrew Luck
Terrelle Pryor
Eli Manning
Christian Ponder
Jake Locker
Carson Palmer
Chad Henne

Once again, you focus on one stat. There are many, many other factors. Tannehill is forced to throw more quickly and into coverages with more defenders, who don't have to respect the run and are therefor in proper position. All of that leads to shorter passes with less YAC.

 

[Mr. Day]

Matt Moore.

 

[WVDolphan]

Once again, you focus on one stat. There are many, many other factors. Tannehill is forced to throw more quickly and into coverages with more defenders, who don't have to respect the run and are therefor in proper position. All of that leads to shorter passes with less YAC.

So find the games in which we have ran the ball well, such as the Bengals game, and find his YPA in those games..... see if it deviates much from his total YPA. Im not sure what it is. Interesting question. If his YPA is similar in such games, Im betting you will just brush it off and go back to blaming the OL, Sherman, or anything else.

 

[Shouright]

Once again, you focus on one stat. There are many, many other factors. Tannehill is forced to throw more quickly and into coverages with more defenders, who don't have to respect the run and are therefor in proper position. All of that leads to shorter passes with less YAC.

And from where do you obtain this information?

 

[Shouright]

So find the games in which we have ran the ball well, such as the Bengals game, and find his YPA in those games..... see if it deviates much from his total YPA. Im not sure what it is. Interesting question. If his YPA is similar in such games, Im betting you will just brush it off and go back to blaming the OL, Sherman, or anything else.

Here are the correlations between Tannehill's YPA and the Dolphins' running game variables for this year:

Rushing attempts: -0.07
Rushing yards: -0.13
Yards per carry: -0.04

In other words, there is no relationship between the Dolphins' running game and Ryan Tannehill's YPA.

Things may sound good in theory, but they really need to be investigated empirically before they're stated in such a factual manner.

 

[Shouright]

Once again, you focus on one stat. There are many, many other factors. Tannehill is forced to throw more quickly and into coverages with more defenders, who don't have to respect the run and are therefor in proper position. All of that leads to shorter passes with less YAC.

Once again, you focus on something you believe theoretically, without doing any objective exploration of it whatsoever.

Do you really want to know the truth of what's going on, or do you just want to believe something? If you want to be "religious" about Ryan Tannehill and have the ultimate faith in his ability no matter what the objective evidence says, then that's certainly up to you, but if so, that'll create a serious divergence in our approaches to this team and how we evaluate it, and we'll likely be disagreeing quite often.

 

[iambanned]

I don't buy the concept of why he should've been sitting in his 2nd year. Maybe in his first year so as not to sabotage the team's chances. You played him in year one and it was rough but he should've learned and he should've been ready for this year. I don't accept 'inexperience' as an excuse for his failure at this point. Last year, I did, but not this year. When he fails, it's from lack of vision and poise. If he had sat for 3 years, he's still come in in year 4 and have to develop that poise. Nothing about sitting teaches you poise. The bullets are either whizzing by your head or they're not, and how you respond when they are comes from inside you. The returns have not been good, though some good moments have occurred. The drive to tie Cincinnati was great, as was the drive to take the lead on Atlanta and the game vs Indy.

It's really 50/50, though, whether Tannehill has a chance. Physically, he's the prototype+. We'd probably never be able to draft another kid with those physical metrics. Between the ears, though, it's just a crap-shoot.