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Why is everybody so quick 2 4get that tannehill was supposed to sit for 2-3 years

shouright said:
I don't think you have any idea what my "mission" is, but that said, of course you're free to give the information I provide whatever weight or consideration you'd like, and frankly I don't care what that is for you. I do the research I do for my own benefit. What you do with my provision of it to the forum is up to you. :)

In terms of those variables, Tannehill has performed more poorly during the first half of this season than he did during the second half of last season.
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Oh, but I do! At least to how it pertains to your posting on this board. I have no problem with you providing your information, and happy you do! I will continue to give it all the weight and consideration it is worth :up:

But when you claim your information to be "objective", well that's just flat out untrue. Advertise it how you like though. Claim to be something you're not. Hell, say whatever makes you happy!

Mind providing me with the statistics that support your claim he is indeed performing more poorly this half of the season than the 2nd half of last season? However, I'll repeat that I would compare Tannehill's first half of this seasons to the FIRST half of last season. As I believe that many quarterbacks tend to have trends during the regular season, get more comfortable, and adapt. It would be unreasonable to expect Tannehill to be as comfortable and adjusted to his surrounding personnel up to this current point in the season, than he was mid-way last year. Just my opinion.
 
russianbear said:
Oh, but I do! At least to how it pertains to your posting on this board. I have no problem with you providing your information, and happy you do! I will continue to give it all the weight and consideration it is worth :up:

But when you claim your information to be "objective", well that's just flat out untrue. Advertise it how you like though. Claim to be something you're not. Hell, say whatever makes you happy!

Mind providing me with the statistics that support your claim he is indeed performing more poorly this half of the season than the 2nd half of last season? However, I'll repeat that I would compare Tannehill's first half of this seasons to the FIRST half of last season. As I believe that many quarterbacks tend to have trends during the regular season, get more comfortable, and adapt. It would be unreasonable to expect Tannehill to be as comfortable and adjusted to his surrounding personnel up to this current point in the season, than he was mid-way last year. Just my opinion.
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Actually yes, I mind. :)
 
russianbear said:
And poof goes the objectivity.
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You mean the "objectivity" you say you don't value but are simultaneously asking me to provide? :unsure:

I know what's going on with regard to those variables, and that's good enough for me. You can do your own research. Like I said, I don't give a damn what you or anyone else here thinks. :up:
 
hooshoops said:
Sharpe put out 2 plays...you could do that with every qb if it's what you are looking for...every one of em...just like you could put up stills of qbs missing open guys in the progression...it happens

If it happened all the time then we'd have something to dig into...but it doesn't...

More agenda driven bs as usual...

And wv before the season and even at 3 and o you sure weren't saying the oline sucks...I'm glad you realized that some time in the last month...flipped the switch on that one too...pretty funny how before the draft and this offseason you were the one leading the cornfed jokes and now your seasons been done in by just that isn't it
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No. The season has been done in once again by poor QB play. Its the same every year with this team. When we get a good QB, we will win.

With good QB play, this team is at a minimum 7-2 right now, despite the OL. Which was what I felt at the beginning of the season, the OL was decent but it wouldnt keep us from winning. My problem was assuming Tannehill was going to play well. Thats where I was wrong.
 
shouright said:
You mean the "objectivity" you say you don't value but are simultaneously asking me to provide? :unsure:

I know what's going on with regard to those variables, and that's good enough for me. You can do your own research. Like I said, I don't give a damn what you or anyone else here thinks. :up:
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That last statement was just for irony, you and I both know you lack any and all objectivity. I was simply asking for the stats that back up your statement. I've seen you do the same to other posters countless times. If you don't have them that's fine.

If you really didn't care about what I, or anyone else thinks, you wouldn't post here, you wouldn't visit, and you wouldn't waste time gathering any opinions other than your own. Stop making stuff up now you're just looking silly.
 
Seems like an awful long and impractical timetable there-- so Tannehill was supposed to sit for 2 or 3 years, then presumably he'd get at least another 2 years to prove himself. So by 2016 we'd finally know whether or not investing the #7 pick in this guy was worth it.

This is all academic anyway. Whether or not Tannehill was meant to start, he did, and he will for the foreseeable future. This year's yet another wasted one, so he damn sure better be ready for 2014. If he's not, he'll go the way of every other QB who's played in this town after 1999.
 
russianbear said:
That last statement was just for irony, you and I both know you lack any and all objectivity. I was simply asking for the stats that back up your statement. I've seen you do the same to other posters countless times. If you don't have them that's fine.
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I have them. :)

If you really didn't care about what I, or anyone else thinks, you wouldn't post here, you wouldn't visit, and you wouldn't waste time gathering any opinions other than your own. Stop making stuff up now you're just looking silly.
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Actually sometimes the posting of the information I tend to provide leads to fruitful and satisfying discussion, the current exchange notwithstanding. ;)
 
shouright said:
Well, keep in mind that the majority of people here thought Chad Henne was only a "number-one receiver" away from greatness at about the same point in his career.
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Henne had played like 4 games at the same point in his career. But I could tell Henne sucked after seeing him for 20 games.

Inconclusive on Tannehill so far, although I'll be fine with whatever our new GM decides to do with him.

The o-line is one of the worst I've seen in a Dolphins uniform. And yes I can back that up with stats: sacks.
 
roy_miami said:
Henne had played like 4 games at the same point in his career. But I could tell Henne sucked after seeing him for 20 games.

Inconclusive on Tannehill so far, although I'll be fine with whatever our new GM decides to do with him.

The o-line is one of the worst I've seen in a Dolphins uniform. And yes I can back that up with stats: sacks.
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How do you make sense of the fact that Tannehill is pressured no more often than the average QB when passing, though he's sacked astronomically more than the average QB when pressured?
 
shouright said:
How do you make sense of the fact that Tannehill is pressured no more often than the average QB when passing, though he's sacked astronomically more than the average QB when pressured?
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I don't have a subscription to pff so I can't look into your pressures theory, I don't even know what the proper definition of a pressure is. If you are sacked does that count as a pressure and a sack or just a sack?

All I have to work with is the sack stat which I'm pretty sure gives some indication to the level of o-line play.
 
roy_miami said:
I don't have a subscription to pff so I can't look into your pressures theory, I don't even know what the proper definition of a pressure is. If you are sacked does that count as a pressure and a sack or just a sack?

All I have to work with is the sack stat which I'm pretty sure gives some indication to the level of o-line play.
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Here's a decent article on it:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/06/03/the-complex-quarterback-pressure-relationship/

I suspect Ryan Tannehill is doing neither of the things alluded to there to elude pressure, passing the ball quickly or moving and extending the play.
 
shouright said:
Here's a decent article on it:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/06/03/the-complex-quarterback-pressure-relationship/

I suspect Ryan Tannehill is doing neither of the things alluded to there to elude pressure, passing the ball quickly or moving and extending the play.
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Except you already know he is passing the ball quickly:

"As mentioned above, though, it's not about his inability to get the ball out quickly. His 2.28 seconds to attempt a pass on average is the second fastest. "

and

"His 4.3 seconds to scramble on average and 3.6 seconds to be sacked on average are both the sixth fastest in the league in those categories."

At least try to be honest.
 
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