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Why not just get 2 guards in free agency and draft the OT's?

Sign Schwartz from K.C put him at rg,A.Collins lt, draft Lewan or Martin in1st Siuia Filo (sp) in2nd bpa after that. That leaves a ton of money for free agency for f.s.,cheap dt.vet rb(Gerhart)sign Ryan Harris t from Texans vet backup familiar with zbs and coaching. With Scwartz and Lewan or Martin you could really pound the rock on right side and lose nothing in pass pro.By trading Moore (5TH) and Martin (6th) your able to fill out roster.

The problem teams have is that FA is before the draft (makes no sense aside from NFLPA wanting vets paid). You have no idea who will be available or who may fall that you really liked. Our team cannot wait for the draft on the OL, and absolutely, positively MUST sign at least 2 or 3 starters in FA.
 
I would sign RT-Austin Howard and RG-Willie Colon from the Jets. They are both very good and will not break the bank. Then lock up FS-Jarius Byrd.
 
I remember when the Canes got Henderson. I was excited. He was gonna be the best OT in the country, and then was amazed on him wasting his talent. Don't know if he can turn things arourd for money.

ThAts one kid that disappointed me the most. But if he matures as a man, this kid has the goods no question.
 
I'm pretty blown away by the multiple posts saying there aren't any 1st round quality tackles in this draft. There are several OTs in this draft worth a 1st. One may drop to the 2nd.
 
Yeah, and teams don't solve big OL problems in free agency, especially at LT. We need to draft a LT. I hope one is there. Solve the small problems in free agency.
 
I for one don't think we have the luxury of time to draft a starting tackle to protect Tanny.

We need to sign Albert and 2 guards or a center and guard. I think we also need to sign McKinnie and pursue Anthony Collins. Before the draft, I would have at least 4 "starters" and good depth from FA on the OLine. Then I would draft 2 OL and let the competition begin.

This is not a problem we need to try to be cute with and "hope" things work out. Fix the OLine and the rest of the entire team gets better. I'm tired of bargain shopping and needing to readdress major components of the OLine every year. Cohesion produces championships. With a good/great OL, these WRs really produce and the ground game gets going. That keeps the defense off the field and allows us to see what ceiling we have with Tannehill. We're going to have enough issues by changing offensive schemes. The last thing we need is the offense depending on subpar OL play like last year.

Either commit the majority of resources to fixing this problem or wait for this year to look like last year. If we do nothing this offseason except keep the D in tact and fix the OL and running game, we're are in the playoffs and possibly winning a game or two.

We don't need to over think this. Fix the OLine and get us a decent RB. That's the priorities. We have answers every where else.
 
I'm pretty blown away by the multiple posts saying there aren't any 1st round quality tackles in this draft. There are several OTs in this draft worth a 1st. One may drop to the 2nd.

Right now there are about 4 first rd tackles, Matthews, Robinson, Lewan, and Martin, all of whom could go before 19. There are others who are a bit more a gamble that could be good, but not any sure thing.
 
A couple of things I see. First, so many people saying that there's no sure thing after the top 10. If history teach us anything is that there's no sure thing but death and taxes. Also, most people saying we need to get 4 linemen in free agency are some of the people who will complain if we lose Soliai and Starks. We can't get everyone. I want a veteran LT too. But it might not be posible. That's all I'm saying. I know it's going to be cheaper to get 2 guards than 2 OT's in free agency. I hope I'm worng and keep all of our guys and get 4 new starting o-linemen in free agency but I don't see how we can do that and still be at the cap.

Ozzy rules!!
 
A couple of things I see. First, so many people saying that there's no sure thing after the top 10. If history teach us anything is that there's no sure thing but death and taxes. Also, most people saying we need to get 4 linemen in free agency are some of the people who will complain if we lose Soliai and Starks. We can't get everyone. I want a veteran LT too. But it might not be posible. That's all I'm saying. I know it's going to be cheaper to get 2 guards than 2 OT's in free agency. I hope I'm worng and keep all of our guys and get 4 new starting o-linemen in free agency but I don't see how we can do that and still be at the cap.

Ozzy rules!!

My response may have sounded like I wanted 4 starters from FA, but what I meant to imply was I wanted at least 4 starters heading into the draft (including Pouncey). I really don't want any "serviceable" guys either. I think McKinnie is a good backup and competition for LT/RT at this stage in his career. I also don't know which guards, centers and tackles are the best fit for our offense, but I've seen more rumblings about the FA tackles than any other position on the line. I've not really heard anyone outright say Albert wouldn't fit with us. But I believe his age and back health are long term concerns. But I think we need superior talent on the OLine and Albert and Collins provide that. Getting one or both is a good start to addressing the line.

Yes, I would like to have Starks and Soliai back. I also think Moore will restructure to help. I think his window as a FA starter is slipping away and he likes it here. Many want to see Devlin as a long term backup, but as I see it, if Moore will restructure and save us $1-2M with a mutual friendly deal then there is no reason to blow up arguably one of the strongest and deepest positions on the team and create another hole that would need a draft pick to be used. I think we should wait for the offseason in which Tanny gets his big contract to promote Devlin and move on from Moore. No reason to do that right now.

I think the biggest issues this off season are in the trenches. Using approximately 4 picks in the draft for OL and DL, while picking up 3 OL starters and signing Starks, Soliai and Grimes would be my main goals. If we can't keep both Starks and Soliai, I think we keep Soliai and lose Starks.

We spent a lot of draft picks on D last year at critical positions, they need to impact this team this year. Also, we only really picked Thomas for the OL from last draft. If he can't be at least a quality backup or start on this current line, then yes we desparately need to acquire FA OL.

Regardless, we cannot get so wrapped up in keeping Starks and Soliai that we take away money from the OL. Keeping Tannehill upright and allowing the offense to do its thing is priority one. But we cannot approach this offseason with plans that include next offseason in acquiring players to fix obvious holes now like we did last offseason.

We need to stop treating every year like "next year" is the real year we try. We need an aggressive plan that breaks us out of this continual mold of "next year". We need urgency due to the age and contract timings of our key players. We need to fix this stench on the OLine with authority.

But mostly, I say we need to fix the OL with FA because Philbin does NOT believe in starting rookies. We have 4 open holes. If we are drafting starters for next year and the year after, we have no option but to acquire FA starters now or start looking at next year's draft for a QB. Because Tanny will become David Carr, Jr.
 
sign Veldheer at LT Mack at C and Pouncy move to LG draft a T in round 2 and sign Clabo and sign Sam Shields and Verner or Talib if we can get them cheaper than Grimes we should go after geoff Schwartz or beadles for RG for Right side both are young and affordable. When it comes to drafting we could trade down or get BPA talent wise at 19 and not worry so much about OL.
 
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