why Sage?

[PhiNomina]

draft position is meaningless.....unless you are arguing that Todd Blackledge was better than Dan Marino

OK I understand that, everyone and their mother has told me that over the last year. So what you are saying that AJ is better than Sage, and everyone knows it, its obvious, but for some reason Sage was drafted ahead of AJ?

Draft position doesn't matter if you PROVE it not to matter. Sage hasn't had a chance to prove anything and AJ has had the chance but not proved anything

So yes, in this case, draft position is the ONLY thing we have to go off of.

 

[LOCAL SCUM!]

so many people are high on sage ,wishing for him to b the starter.i just dont c the same with him .the game last year where he started he did nothing but one long pass that our boy took to the house but why are a lot of people high on this guy:confused:

Mainly because he WAS the BEST QUarterback on our team at the time. HE's DEFINATELY better than Fiedler or AJ. THat's for DAM sure. In his 1st game starting, (last year against the Ravens) he played as good as or better than AJ FEELEY did all year. If Sage had those 8 games to start I think we'd have our solid starter right now. I dunno what Frerotte has got.

 

[wyatt erp]

sage is a victim here gang , because you all knew that with wanny as our coach even brett farve wouldn't get a fair chance . trust me , as the master prognosticator sage will be the bridge of the miami offense that takes us to the superbowl and i will bet you the reputation of george w bush that sage can do it. trust me have i ever lied to you all ?

 

[Prime]

Sorry to dissapoint you, but Sage is a whole lot better then Brock is. 3rd stringer's aren't really suppost to impress you because if they do, then they would be starter's. The reason why Sage did so poorly against the Ravens was because that was his first start and he was playing against a real good defense.

 

[yankeehillbilly]

OK I understand that, everyone and their mother has told me that over the last year. So what you are saying that AJ is better than Sage, and everyone knows it, its obvious, but for some reason Sage was drafted ahead of AJ?

Draft position doesn't matter if you PROVE it not to matter. Sage hasn't had a chance to prove anything and AJ has had the chance but not proved anything

So yes, in this case, draft position is the ONLY thing we have to go off of.

Prove to who? You? Me? Sorry, but you and I do not determine who starts and who doesnt. Sage has had several years worth of chances to prove himself worthy of moving up on the depth chart to the people that DO make those decisions. Even if you take into account that while with the Phins he could never start because of the Wanny/Fiedler relationship, he should have at least moved into the #2 spot. 4 years of showing his abilities in minicamps and training camps and he is still 3rd string. AJ isnt a whole lot better....he had to leave the Eagles to be promoted off of 3rd string...but when given the chance in mini/training camps with the Dolphins, he apparently showed enough to be placed ahead of Sage.

Draft position for these guys at this point is entirely meaningless. They are going into their 5th year in the NFL, so it doesnt matter in the least that one guy was picked 1 round ahead of the other. The only thing draft position tells you about a player picked over 4 years ago is how smart/dumb the GM that selected him was.

As to your comment : "So what you are saying that AJ is better than Sage, and everyone knows it, its obvious, but for some reason Sage was drafted ahead of AJ?".....Weaker talent is picked over better talent all the time. Its hard to judge a young players potential coming out of college, but usually a year in the NFL will sort things out. The thing is, after the draft is over you have to throw out all the hype and hoopla about a player and start judging him on what he is able to do in your practices. If he can play...great. If he cant, then he's a benchwarmer. It doesnt matter in the least where he was drafted.

 

[PhiNomina]

Prove to who? You? Me? Sorry, but you and I do not determine who starts and who doesnt. Sage has had several years worth of chances to prove himself worthy of moving up on the depth chart to the people that DO make those decisions. Even if you take into account that while with the Phins he could never start because of the Wanny/Fiedler relationship, he should have at least moved into the #2 spot. 4 years of showing his abilities in minicamps and training camps and he is still 3rd string. AJ isnt a whole lot better....he had to leave the Eagles to be promoted off of 3rd string...but when given the chance in mini/training camps with the Dolphins, he apparently showed enough to be placed ahead of Sage.

Draft position for these guys at this point is entirely meaningless. They are going into their 5th year in the NFL, so it doesnt matter in the least that one guy was picked 1 round ahead of the other. The only thing draft position tells you about a player picked over 4 years ago is how smart/dumb the GM that selected him was.

As to your comment : "So what you are saying that AJ is better than Sage, and everyone knows it, its obvious, but for some reason Sage was drafted ahead of AJ?".....Weaker talent is picked over better talent all the time. Its hard to judge a young players potential coming out of college, but usually a year in the NFL will sort things out. The thing is, after the draft is over you have to throw out all the hype and hoopla about a player and start judging him on what he is able to do in your practices. If he can play...great. If he cant, then he's a benchwarmer. It doesnt matter in the least where he was drafted.

Great post.

I understand your theory and to be honest I was thinking you were a huge AJ supporter, one of those that believe he is our long term answer. I don't think either QB has proven themselves to be much more than a backup in the league. My argument was simply that I didn't believe AJ had proven anymore than Sage. AJ got thrown into a starting spot for a few games in Philly, posted average to below average stats but a few wins (not much different than our boy Jay did for 4 years) We were desperate for ANYTHING that wasn't named Feidler and overpayed, which more or less assured AJ ATLEAST the 2nd string spot. In my mind AJ never earned that spot, he got it based on what we gave up to get him.

IMO, and it is just my opinion, if you put Sage and AJ in a head to head battle, with equal opportunities with the first team offense (something Sage NEVER got) Sage would beat him. AJ has the excuse of "playing behind a pro-bowl QB" in Philly but really has never taken over a game. His best game last year he still only threw one TD. In fact he only had 2 games with 2 or more TD's and on his highest (3 TD) game he threw 5 INT's. I just don't see how people can say Sage couldn't do atleast that well. He really doesn't have much to live up to.

 

[RANDYNRONNY]

so is ryan leaf better than felly and sage combined because he was drafted in the 1 round

 

[nick1]

nobody wants Sage to start, everybody wants either Feeley or Fuerotte to start and it's highly unlikely for one of them not to start. Sage might not even make the team as he has to compete with Berlin for the 3rd QB spot

 

[PhiNomina]

so is ryan leaf better than felly and sage combined because he was drafted in the 1 round

My entire post was the fact that draft position doesn't matter if you PROVE yourself after the draft...something neither of our two younger QB's have done.

But thanks for reading the first line of my post and trying to reply.

 

[ohall]

I dunno either. He played well in some areas last season. For example his deep pass in the 1 game he played in was a positive. But there were times he couldn't even complete a 10-yard out pattern in that same game, which IMO is a negative.