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Timing, Anticipation, and release is what matters more than arm strength.

Arm strength doesn't really matter in the NFL, it's all about anticipation. But more than anything of that, it's about trusting your receivers. Here is an example for you.

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Preston Williams is running a deep out route. Lets say on his 8th step he decides to plant his inside foot, sink his hips and explode at angle for the out route.

Tua decides to throw is before he even plants his inside foot, causing the ball to be there when he breaks out of his cut. Ball arrives perfectly on time. Its bang bang and the DB has zero chance of picking it off.

Now lets take another player in Lynn Bowden. Bowden decides to shimmy and take a giant hop step at his 8th step. He stutters for another few steps then rounds out his cut and goes to the out. Tua holds and is unable to throw because he doesn't hit his marks when Tua is ready to let go before Lynn sinks and his hips and cuts. This messes up timing and anticipation. But what it does more than anything is mess up the trust.

Tua will start trusting Preston because he runs his routes and is where he needs to be when he needs to be. When Lynn Bowden runs routes, he isn't and that messes with a QB in a bad way like Tua.

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Lets take some real life examples.

So when you run a slant route in the NFL, you usually are taught to line up with your outside foot forward. on the LOS. Lets say we want to run a slant route from the left side. You line up your LEFT foot up on the LOS. You usually are taught to take 4 steps, then sink your outside foot and explode inside into the slant. So again, left foot up. You take 1(right)-2(left)-3(right) -> 4th step(left) explode into the slant. What that does is you "sync" up with your QB where they are supposed to throw it based off your 4th step and their drop or hitch. You usually want to push to the outside shoulder of the DB/LB if they have inside leverage shade. So if you were running a slant from right side, you line up with your right foot forward and so on. Here is a perfect example of some slants.

Check out the one Odell runs at 31 seconds below.



This doesn't mean how its only taught and theres only one way. There's so many different ways to run a slant, but this is usually the most efficient. What you start doing though is switching up what foot is lined up in front so the DB can't predict your routes.

Devontae Smith runs a PERFECT slant route. Thats why him and Tua and Mac are always hitting those quick scores.

Now lets take look at a REALLY bad slant route.

Check out 7:39 all the way to 8:05. Its the same play. Its Lynn Bowden running a slant route.



7:39 clip - He takes 2 steps then does a jump/hop step then stutters and takes an hour to come out of his break.

Now watch the next clip at 7:55

Tua holds and clutches the ball twice before he throws it. Again. TRUST and timing. If Bowden runs a damn normal slant route, Tua can release it and throw it to him.

This is not just about Tua, its more about the state of our wide receivers and their skill level and route running. Even if we get Deshaun Watson, these receivers need a complete overhaul.

At the end of the day the most important thing in the NFL for a receiver and QB is trust. Not how fast your 40 is. Not how far or hard you can throw the ball. It's being on the same page so you can consistently be at the same place at the same time mentally. Tua is all about anticipation and timing. Get receivers he trusts and he could have the weakest arm in the NFL and still dominate. Because a QB that can release it faster than anyone else with excellent anticipation and trust in his receivers is impossible to defend.

So please just stop worrying so much about someone's 40 time (because getting open literally has nothing to do with a 40), how tall or big they are, how far or hard they can throw the ball. Why do you think Jabar Gaffney of all people dominated with Tom Brady? It's because he ran crisp routes and Brady trusted him.
 
Timing, Anticipation, and release is what matters more than arm strength.

Arm strength doesn't really matter in the NFL, it's all about anticipation. But more than anything of that, it's about trusting your receivers. Here is an example for you.

----

Preston Williams is running a deep out route. Lets say on his 8th step he decides to plant his inside foot, sink his hips and explode at angle for the out route.

Tua decides to throw is before he even plants his inside foot, causing the ball to be there when he breaks out of his cut. Ball arrives perfectly on time. Its bang bang and the DB has zero chance of picking it off.

Now lets take another player in Lynn Bowden. Bowden decides to shimmy and take a giant hop step at his 8th step. He stutters for another few steps then rounds out his cut and goes to the out. Tua holds and is unable to throw because he doesn't hit his marks when Tua is ready to let go before Lynn sinks and his hips and cuts. This messes up timing and anticipation. But what it does more than anything is mess up the trust.

Tua will start trusting Preston because he runs his routes and is where he needs to be when he needs to be. When Lynn Bowden runs routes, he isn't and that messes with a QB in a bad way like Tua.

-----

Lets take some real life examples.

So when you run a slant route in the NFL, you usually are taught to line up with your outside foot forward. on the LOS. Lets say we want to run a slant route from the left side. You line up your LEFT foot up on the LOS. You usually are taught to take 4 steps, then sink your outside foot and explode inside into the slant. So again, left foot up. You take 1(right)-2(left)-3(right) -> 4th step(left) explode into the slant. What that does is you "sync" up with your QB where they are supposed to throw it based off your 4th step and their drop or hitch. You usually want to push to the outside shoulder of the DB/LB if they have inside leverage shade. So if you were running a slant from right side, you line up with your right foot forward and so on. Here is a perfect example of some slants.

Check out the one Odell runs at 31 seconds below.



This doesn't mean how its only taught and theres only one way. There's so many different ways to run a slant, but this is usually the most efficient. What you start doing though is switching up what foot is lined up in front so the DB can't predict your routes.

Devontae Smith runs a PERFECT slant route. Thats why him and Tua and Mac are always hitting those quick scores.

Now lets take look at a REALLY bad slant route.

Check out 7:39 all the way to 8:05. Its the same play. Its Lynn Bowden running a slant route.



7:39 clip - He takes 2 steps then does a jump/hop step then stutters and takes an hour to come out of his break.

Now watch the next clip at 7:55

Tua holds and clutches the ball twice before he throws it. Again. TRUST and timing. If Bowden runs a damn normal slant route, Tua can release it and throw it to him.

This is not just about Tua, its more about the state of our wide receivers and their skill level and route running. Even if we get Deshaun Watson, these receivers need a complete overhaul.

At the end of the day the most important thing in the NFL for a receiver and QB is trust. Not how fast your 40 is. Not how far or hard you can throw the ball. It's being on the same page so you can consistently be at the same place at the same time mentally. Tua is all about anticipation and timing. Get receivers he trusts and he could have the weakest arm in the NFL and still dominate. Because a QB that can release it faster than anyone else with excellent anticipation and trust in his receivers is impossible to defend.

So please just stop worrying so much about someone's 40 time (because getting open literally has nothing to do with a 40), how tall or big they are, how far or hard they can throw the ball. Why do you think Jabar Gaffney of all people dominated with Tom Brady? It's because he ran crisp routes and Brady trusted him.

Combine is for scouts who don't want to make tough decision.
Look at all the combine numbers and select the one with the best numbers.... I can do that, you can do that, everyone can do that. Who need scouts?

If Z Thomas and Montana going thur combine today, they will have unimpressive combine numbers.
 
I'm no scout so please help me understand. I seen a clip of Tua throwing a 50yrd strike from his endzone. Is that considered weak by nfl standards? Or was that pre injury and hes no longer able to do that?
 
I'm no scout so please help me understand. I seen a clip of Tua throwing a 50yrd strike from his endzone. Is that considered weak by nfl standards? Or was that pre injury and hes no longer able to do that?

This weak armed thing gets a little overblown by fans who saw him throw some ducks this year. He can make all the throws.

The difference between Tua and Rodgers, Mahomes, and Allen is that you're not going to see him launch something 50 yds down the field off of upper body torque alone. The kid has to set his feet.
 
I feel like I already read this

pretty sure I did actually

drew Brees timing and anticipation Sunday wasn’t an issue it was his arm and lack of it despite their system.

and that was at home even in a controlled ideal environment
 
Timing, Anticipation, and release is what matters more than arm strength.

Arm strength doesn't really matter in the NFL, it's all about anticipation. But more than anything of that, it's about trusting your receivers. Here is an example for you.

----

Preston Williams is running a deep out route. Lets say on his 8th step he decides to plant his inside foot, sink his hips and explode at angle for the out route.

Tua decides to throw is before he even plants his inside foot, causing the ball to be there when he breaks out of his cut. Ball arrives perfectly on time. Its bang bang and the DB has zero chance of picking it off.

Now lets take another player in Lynn Bowden. Bowden decides to shimmy and take a giant hop step at his 8th step. He stutters for another few steps then rounds out his cut and goes to the out. Tua holds and is unable to throw because he doesn't hit his marks when Tua is ready to let go before Lynn sinks and his hips and cuts. This messes up timing and anticipation. But what it does more than anything is mess up the trust.

Tua will start trusting Preston because he runs his routes and is where he needs to be when he needs to be. When Lynn Bowden runs routes, he isn't and that messes with a QB in a bad way like Tua.

-----

Lets take some real life examples.

So when you run a slant route in the NFL, you usually are taught to line up with your outside foot forward. on the LOS. Lets say we want to run a slant route from the left side. You line up your LEFT foot up on the LOS. You usually are taught to take 4 steps, then sink your outside foot and explode inside into the slant. So again, left foot up. You take 1(right)-2(left)-3(right) -> 4th step(left) explode into the slant. What that does is you "sync" up with your QB where they are supposed to throw it based off your 4th step and their drop or hitch. You usually want to push to the outside shoulder of the DB/LB if they have inside leverage shade. So if you were running a slant from right side, you line up with your right foot forward and so on. Here is a perfect example of some slants.

Check out the one Odell runs at 31 seconds below.



This doesn't mean how its only taught and theres only one way. There's so many different ways to run a slant, but this is usually the most efficient. What you start doing though is switching up what foot is lined up in front so the DB can't predict your routes.

Devontae Smith runs a PERFECT slant route. Thats why him and Tua and Mac are always hitting those quick scores.

Now lets take look at a REALLY bad slant route.

Check out 7:39 all the way to 8:05. Its the same play. Its Lynn Bowden running a slant route.



7:39 clip - He takes 2 steps then does a jump/hop step then stutters and takes an hour to come out of his break.

Now watch the next clip at 7:55

Tua holds and clutches the ball twice before he throws it. Again. TRUST and timing. If Bowden runs a damn normal slant route, Tua can release it and throw it to him.

This is not just about Tua, its more about the state of our wide receivers and their skill level and route running. Even if we get Deshaun Watson, these receivers need a complete overhaul.

At the end of the day the most important thing in the NFL for a receiver and QB is trust. Not how fast your 40 is. Not how far or hard you can throw the ball. It's being on the same page so you can consistently be at the same place at the same time mentally. Tua is all about anticipation and timing. Get receivers he trusts and he could have the weakest arm in the NFL and still dominate. Because a QB that can release it faster than anyone else with excellent anticipation and trust in his receivers is impossible to defend.

So please just stop worrying so much about someone's 40 time (because getting open literally has nothing to do with a 40), how tall or big they are, how far or hard they can throw the ball. Why do you think Jabar Gaffney of all people dominated with Tom Brady? It's because he ran crisp routes and Brady trusted him.


Don't disagree, but Miami had WRs last year with TT's trust. Teams draft WRs every year without the QBs trust. Again, while I agree, don't overlook intellect. QBs and WRs have to read the D the same way before that trust can grow. That takes some level of intellect. I'm not going to beat the 'separation' horse, but trusting Ford doesn't help much if he can't get open.

Admittedly, all those things are subsets of 'trust.' Give me a smart WR who can get separation, and trust will follow. Getting rid of the ball a quarter second faster can NOT be underestimated.
 
Don't disagree, but Miami had WRs last year with TT's trust. Teams draft WRs every year without the QBs trust. Again, while I agree, don't overlook intellect. QBs and WRs have to read the D the same way before that trust can grow. That takes some level of intellect. I'm not going to beat the 'separation' horse, but trusting Ford doesn't help much if he can't get open.

Admittedly, all those things are subsets of 'trust.' Give me a smart WR who can get separation, and trust will follow. Getting rid of the ball a quarter second faster can NOT be underestimated.

is that why Gailey said in week 17 that Tua and the receivers have an issue with trust?
 
I feel like I already read this

pretty sure I did actually

drew Brees timing and anticipation Sunday wasn’t an issue it was his arm and lack of it despite their system.

and that was at home even in a controlled ideal environment
I don’t think we are ever going to see eye to eye on this, man. Brees arm at 40 shouldn’t even be in the NFL. I’m talking about nfl quality arm standards and Brees doesn’t even have that anymore.

Brees from 23-37 did
 
I don’t think we are ever going to see eye to eye on this, man. Brees arm at 40 shouldn’t even be in the NFL. I’m talking about nfl quality arm standards and Brees doesn’t even have that anymore.

Brees from 23-37 did

the one tua had at 22 at Buffalo wasnt nfl quality either intermediate

that’s what I’m saying
 
I'm no scout so please help me understand. I seen a clip of Tua throwing a 50yrd strike from his endzone. Is that considered weak by nfl standards? Or was that pre injury and hes no longer able to do that?
Here's ~53 yards in the air with minimal effort on the throw. He can make all the throws, even after his injury.

 
the one tua had at 22 at Buffalo wasnt nfl quality either intermediate

that’s what I’m saying

don’t disagree in that game his arm wasn’t as good as it was in some other games but I didn’t really see too many clips showing it was a sign of concern, but I think that came down to his hip and trunk not being strong enough and having no confidence in his receivers
 
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