Why We Support A.J.

[GRYPHONK]

With most qbs I agree. When it comes to Fiedler though, his arm was so weak that Feeley's arm strength does make him a better QB. Can you picture Fiedler in a LINEHAN offense? Fiedler could never get the ball deep enough to make it work. Fiedler as QB ensured that we always played a defense with 8 men in the box. you never worried about getting beat deep with Fiedler. The running game benefits with Feeley or frerotte as a starter because both can keep a defense honest

The problem with Fiedler was never how far he could throw it. He was able to throw it far. It was always a matter of how fast he go it there.

It was the zip of his passes not the length of his passes.

So therefor he wouldn't do good in a linehan offense.

Put him in a west coast offense and he will be fine.

 

[adamprez2003]

Absolutely. Fiedler was a west coast offense QB. Why we chose to bring him on and then run a traditional offense is beyond me. Fiedler might be alright in New York because they run an offense that's suited for him. Then again if we were running a west coast offense, Feeley would have been comfortable too since that's what they ran in Philly. Fiedler was absolutely a horrible choice for our type of offense whereas Feeley has the physical requirements to possibly make the adjustment and perform well

 

[Phishstix]

Absolutely. Fiedler was a west coast offense QB. Why we chose to bring him on and then run a traditional offense is beyond me.

b/c norv turner is an idiot imo. he's great w/ all-pros in his arsenal, but a good coach can make shiznit shine.

 

[Cool Calm Mike]

Why we support A.J.?

 

[PassRush]

You have no choice. You must support AJ, he's all you have at the moment.

I echo that sentiment while adding this. We invested a second round pick in him and he showed me enough to believe that he is not a complete loss. If you really look at his progression throughout the season, it is a fact that he improved. Call me stupid but if our team invested a second round pick in a player and that player showed the improvement that he did in his first season with what little he had, he deserves the start over a thirty-three year old player who was brought in as a backup; if only to let us know where we stand.

 

[rafael]

That's funny cause what I saw in the last few games was a more poised QB. A qb who didn't panic and throw the ball just to throw it. I saw a QB who decided to take the sack rather then force the pass.

Say it all u want Rafael Feeley improved. What do you want from the kid? I am not saying he is the best but to sit herew and obviously look past the aspects of his game that did get better is very naive.

Poise
Pocket Presence
Not rushing passes

Right there are 3 big keys to a QB'S success and although he is far from perfecting them he clearly showed progression that even a blind man could see.

You don't fix these things by sitting on the sideline. I don't care how much you people say he isn't a rookie because he really was. There is no experience like playing. No matter how long you let a rookie sit and learn they will still struggle. Carson Palmer wasn't amazing but he sure did have a full year to prepare.

So in that sense, it doesn't matter how long he has been in the league or watched footage he will never have that game experience, which most definitely made him a rookie.

I agree that he took more sacks and threw it up for grabs less (the kind he did early on where he didn't even look)(although I didn't see any pocket presence). But if you want to know whether a QB has "feel" or "it" or whatever you want to call it, you look to see if he has any sense of seeing a play develop. If you see that then you hold on to him. All the other crap you pick up by playing, but that "feel" that's innate, not learned. The stuff you're pointing to is not predictive of future success. It's just polish. If you polish a turd you just end up with a shiny turd.

 

[rafael]

One possible pick that wasnt is a sideline pass that was at the shoelaces of the DB which would have made it a helluva interception. is that one you are counting as should have been intercepted because I dont remember him throwing t6hat many interceptable passes in that game? I didnt consider that pass as should have been intercepted. More like could have been intercepted which is a big difference

Maybe. The one I'm thinking of, and I admit the memories are vague, the DB slipped on his cut. Otherwise he took it to the house. What I remember thinking throughout the game was "we're getting lucky, we may be able to pull this out". Most games last year I felt the opposite, "damn we can't catch a break".

 

[rafael]

With most qbs I agree. When it comes to Fiedler though, his arm was so weak that Feeley's arm strength does make him a better QB. Can you picture Fiedler in a LINEHAN offense? Fiedler could never get the ball deep enough to make it work. Fiedler as QB ensured that we always played a defense with 8 men in the box. you never worried about getting beat deep with Fiedler. The running game benefits with Feeley or frerotte as a starter because both can keep a defense honest

Actually, despite his strong arm AJ has never been good at the deep pass. I saw a breakdown on this site of his long pass attempts and that is certainly an area he has to improve to be effective in Linehan's O.

 

[rafael]

I also dont see how you can say he didnt improve. He wouldnt be on the team right now if he hadnt improved some. You could say that he didnt improve enough to warrant starting but to say he didnt improve at all is straining your point. 95% of the people who watch the game would say he improved some from the first game to the last. The debate is how much not whether

He didn't improve in what matters, his decision making. The most you can say is he took the sack instead of making the poor decision. I guess you can say that's an improvement, but IMO all he did was not make a decision. Sure, it was less of a disaster, but it doesn't show any improvement in his ability to read a D or anticipate the development of the play. That is by far the most predictive factor. He didn't show that.

 

[adamprez2003]

He didn't improve in what matters, his decision making. The most you can say is he took the sack instead of making the poor decision. I guess you can say that's an improvement, but IMO all he did was not make a decision. Sure, it was less of a disaster, but it doesn't show any improvement in his ability to read a D or anticipate the development of the play. That is by far the most predictive factor. He didn't show that.

I would say after watching Feeley last year he went through the same problems other 1st year starting QBs go through. They don't know the playbook well enough which makes them unsure of where the 3rd or 4th options are. This is why rookie QBs (and I believe Feeley falls in that category, although many disagree) tend to birddog their hot receivers and panic when that option is closed to them. Palmer did it in Cincy, Eli did it in New York and Feeley did it in Miami. I agree with you that he must improve this area of his game. You can't play this position if you don't get the mental aspect of the game. Where we disagree is whether he will be able to do so. I believe he will be much improved this year. If there is no improvement this year, than I concede that he is a bust, but I didn't see anything from him that I thought was worse than expected. Perhaps we just had different expectations of how he would perform his first year on that putrid offense.

 

[GRYPHONK]

He didn't improve in what matters, his decision making. The most you can say is he took the sack instead of making the poor decision. I guess you can say that's an improvement, but IMO all he did was not make a decision. Sure, it was less of a disaster, but it doesn't show any improvement in his ability to read a D or anticipate the development of the play. That is by far the most predictive factor. He didn't show that.

You keep babbling the same rhetoric of opinion where as other show y facts.

You say he hasn't improved yet we show u areas he has improved. Then when we prove you wrong all u can say is a lousy turd analogy.

Then you say his decision making didn't change but yet acknowledged in your previous posts that he tooks more sacks and didn't make those bad decision throws.

You just contradicted yourself.

I have no problem with your opinion. Everyone is entitled to one. The problem is that you aren't excepting the fact that in every aspect of his game he improved at the end of the year. It might not have been a tremendous leap but even you yourself acknowledged it yet after saying it you go on to claim he didn't improve.

It's one thing to have an opinion it's another thing to have a blatant biased opinion that is founded solely on opinion.

 

[GRYPHONK]

By the way, the facts show that the last few games his Rating, turnovers, completion percentage were better then the rest of the season.

Had a chance to go 3-0 the last few games but we barely lost to a Denver Bronco Team.

Not to mention his leading game winning drives in 2 of those games. One while coming back from an 11 point deficit with little time left against the soon to be SB champs.

But hey what do I know. You are absolutely right. The stats, the games the photos of the Patriots players in disbelief they all are a falicy and mean nothing.

 

[GRYPHONK]

The only true sign Feeley showed in not being able to read defenses is his inability to read line backers on those short over the middle routes.

That is a big problem don't get me wrong. He had no problems watching a play develop and go for it.

I only wonder what some of you guys would be saying if our receivers actually were reliable and caught the ball.

If a player (McMichaels) keeps dropping the ball how are u gonna fault Feeley?

Much like how you will say you can't blame the WR for not being able to catch the poorly thrown ones.

Under Feeley in the last 6 games I saw a heck of alot more dropped passes then poorly thrown one.

You forget that it is much harder to complete a pass when the defense knows you will throw on 3rd and long then it is to throw on 1st down.

You also forget that our WR'S are not the best at getting open.

You also fail to acknowledge that our QB'S were unable to audible.

You also fail to acknowledge that the QB under Wanny had to make a throw to a specific receiver regardless cause that was the play calling.

Under those cirumstances when you are forced to try to make something out of nothing no QB will succeed.

Just look back to Peyton Manning when he had that season where he either broke the record or tied the record for most INT'S returned for a TD. hE WAS ALWAYS forced to throw the ball.

 

[GRYPHONK]

I would say after watching Feeley last year he went through the same problems other 1st year starting QBs go through. They don't know the playbook well enough which makes them unsure of where the 3rd or 4th options are. This is why rookie QBs (and I believe Feeley falls in that category, although many disagree) tend to birddog their hot receivers and panic when that option is closed to them. Palmer did it in Cincy, Eli did it in New York and Feeley did it in Miami. I agree with you that he must improve this area of his game. You can't play this position if you don't get the mental aspect of the game. Where we disagree is whether he will be able to do so. I believe he will be much improved this year. If there is no improvement this year, than I concede that he is a bust, but I didn't see anything from him that I thought was worse than expected. Perhaps we just had different expectations of how he would perform his first year on that putrid offense.

Good point!!!

 

[T tes]

I support AJ because he is a dolphin. Pure and simple.