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Why We Support A.J.

Want to see something really funny AirChambers84?

AirChambers84 said:
Ronnie - 1300 yards 13 TDs
Ricky - 500 yards 4 TDs
AJ - 3800 yards 26 TDs 14 INTs
Gus - 250 yards 1 TD
Chambers - 1250 yards 12 TDs
Booker - 1000 yards 6 TDs
Randy - 850 yards 7 TDs

Try to stay on topic next time instead of taking a cheap shot at me, or the bills big guy.
 
PHINATIC13 said:
Why We Support A.J.


Simple because he's the best QB we have on the roster IMO.Besides that I do believe AJ will get the job done. It seems under Scott's offense which involves throwing the ball more may play to AJ's strenghts.
I'd be interested to here your specific EVIDENCE that shows AJ will probably get the job done, and that throwing the ball plays to his strengths. Remember, please provide specific EVIDENCE. Because, so far he has 4-5 years in the league, 3 of which were under a Pro Bowl QB..and AJ continues to make the same bonehead plays over and over and over.

My simple EVIDENCE is his career statistics, and history. I don't know of one player besides may Priest Holmes and Trent Green who was in the league more than 4 years and then turned from crap or average, to a quality starter or Pro Bowler.
 
Always have to give quarterbacks a couple years to brew.. the best qb's in the league have totally reeked their first year or two.
 
Wagon Circler said:
Based on he was a first round pick and not a third string qb?

so first round picks always work out? heath shuler, ryan leaf, akili smith - they were all top five picks if i recall. there is no guarantee whatsoever that anyone drafted will work out. losman is as much of an unknown as feeley is, and i don't say that to slag the bills.
 
Booftard said:
Always have to give quarterbacks a couple years to brew.. the best qb's in the league have totally reeked their first year or two.
AJ's had 4 years. Plenty of time to get his head out of his a$$. Meanwhile, he still doesn't know how to practice plus he can't read a defense. Feeley is just another Fiedler situation, someone peopel WANT to believe in, btu inreality he is nothing more than a backup trying to be the main man.
 
What part of IMO don't you understand?:shakeno:

Schleprock said:
I'd be interested to here your specific EVIDENCE that shows AJ will probably get the job done, and that throwing the ball plays to his strengths. Remember, please provide specific EVIDENCE. Because, so far he has 4-5 years in the league, 3 of which were under a Pro Bowl QB..and AJ continues to make the same bonehead plays over and over and over.

My simple EVIDENCE is his career statistics, and history. I don't know of one player besides may Priest Holmes and Trent Green who was in the league more than 4 years and then turned from crap or average, to a quality starter or Pro Bowler.
 
Wagon Circler said:
Based on he was a first round pick and not a third string qb?

Oh, so him being a 1st round pick means he's more or less guaranteed of being a great QB?? Ryan Leaf? Akili Smith? Tim Couch? Anyone??:evil:

As for the 3rd string QB comment....... That's been debated to death before and I just don't feel like digging it up again!
 
cowtowndick said:
not an aj-hater, but why does he (or anyone else) get a year as a qb, as "benefit of the doubt"? couldn't you say that one of the problems with fiedler is that he received, as you say, almost three years? so if it was a mistake with fiedler, why repeat the mistake with feeley, or anyone else for that matter? feeley hasn't started enough, last year was his first year, the o-line was bad, we have to see what he can do, we traded a first day draft choice for him, he's a bad practice player, blah blah blah. it should come down to training camp - if a.j. proves he should be the qb, then he is - frerotte's the backup, we're happy for a year or two. if frerotte proves he's the qb, then he's the qb, aj can grab some pine, and we work on getting a young qb next year, either through the draft or via trade. one of the biggest mistakes made last year was not naming a clear starter early enough. don't think it will happen this year, and you can rely on the fact that whoever is named the starter has earned the spot. of course, all of this is just an opinion.


I agree completely.
 
Nature Boy said:
A lot of Feeley haters ask why people make excuses for him (such as blaming his performance on the O-Line) instead of holding him totally accountable the way we did Fiedler. This is a reasonable question, but the answer is fairly simple: Last year was Feeley’s first year as a starting QB. We gave Jay the benefit of the doubt his first year… the second year… maybe even the third. But after bumbling around for that long we lost faith. The honeymoon phase still hasn’t ended with Feeley, and it wont for another year or two. Until then he will get the benefit of the doubt, which is something every new QB deserves.

So basically your saying that you support AJ for no reason at all. No analysis of any skills displayed whatsoever. No proof or basis in fact that he is a good QB. That's what the people who don't have high expectations for AJ feared. That you support AJ bc/ he's a Dolphin and b/c it sure would be nice if he turned out to be good enough.

Under your theory we could put the worst QB in the league in there and you'd support him b/c every new QB deserves the benefit of the doubt.
 
Schleprock said:
AJ's had 4 years. Plenty of time to get his head out of his a$$. Meanwhile, he still doesn't know how to practice plus he can't read a defense. Feeley is just another Fiedler situation, someone peopel WANT to believe in, btu inreality he is nothing more than a backup trying to be the main man.

Yes!!!

AJ is not a rookie. Why does everyone keep talking about him like he was our first round draft pick and needs time to develop? He's been in the league for some time. He should either be ready to win now or sit behind someone who can.

AJ is not a special chosen one. He and Gus should compete for the start - winner take all. That's that. Let's learn from the Fiedler fiasco and let our QB's earn their keep instead of making excuses for them.
 
As a reminder, in Fiedler's first year as starting QB for the Phins, the team won the AFC East and went to the playoffs. Lamar Smith was running back and the Oline was as patchworked a job as the one now. The team also had winning records with Jay at QB despite the Oline being one of the worst in the NFL according to many people.

Yes, Jay had Ricky on the team with him for 2 years, and that brings up another point. If players must be surrounded by other great players in order to perform well then how come Ricky got 1800+ yards with an Oline that was considered one of the worst in the NFL? Ricky had the same type Oline, same coaches, same offensive philosophy, etc. as AJ had last year, but Ricky succeeded and AJ showed us why he has been sitting on the bench since his sophomore year in college!

IMO, you are going to be very disappointed if you think AJ is going to start on 9/11.
 
Schleprock said:
AJ's had 4 years. Plenty of time to get his head out of his a$$. Meanwhile, he still doesn't know how to practice plus he can't read a defense. Feeley is just another Fiedler situation, someone peopel WANT to believe in, btu inreality he is nothing more than a backup trying to be the main man.


Another good point. Fiedler's weakness was his arm strength. Feeley's weakness is his inability to read a defense or make smart decisions and throw the ball away; instead, he basically throws it up for grabs. Fiedler could read a defense, but didn't have the arm to make all of the throws. I've said before: you could combine the two's skills and you'd still only have a DECENT QB. But each one of them alone are not ever going to be good, solid starting QBs.
 
Schleprock said:
I'd be interested to here your specific EVIDENCE that shows AJ will probably get the job done, and that throwing the ball plays to his strengths. Remember, please provide specific EVIDENCE. Because, so far he has 4-5 years in the league, 3 of which were under a Pro Bowl QB..and AJ continues to make the same bonehead plays over and over and over.

My simple EVIDENCE is his career statistics, and history. I don't know of one player besides may Priest Holmes and Trent Green who was in the league more than 4 years and then turned from crap or average, to a quality starter or Pro Bowler.

Rich Gannon was in the Super Bowl. Doug Williams won the Super BowlL. Kurt Warner, played in NFL EUROPE before he won the Super Bowl. Johnny Unitas played in semi pro before becoming one of the all time best, etc etc etc. There are tons of players who take time to develop at QB.
 
Schleprock said:
I'd be interested to here your specific EVIDENCE that shows AJ will probably get the job done, and that throwing the ball plays to his strengths. Remember, please provide specific EVIDENCE. Because, so far he has 4-5 years in the league, 3 of which were under a Pro Bowl QB..and AJ continues to make the same bonehead plays over and over and over.

My simple EVIDENCE is his career statistics, and history. I don't know of one player besides may Priest Holmes and Trent Green who was in the league more than 4 years and then turned from crap or average, to a quality starter or Pro Bowler.

Drew Brees
Rich Gannon
Brad Johnson
Steve Mcnair
John Kitna

Those are just examples of QB'S who were average or horrible then turned it around to be solid QB'S. JOhnson was a mediocre journeyman who lead his team to a SB and I believe he was in a probowl, Kitna was horrible his whole career could have made a run at MVP if not for Manning, McNair was a run first pass later QB until quite a few years into the elague, we saw what happened to Brees lasr year.

Would you like me to keep going with names of people who have turned it around to be more then just average. Those were just QB'S off the top of my head since we are talking about QB'S.

The only difference is every single QB I mentioned played more then 13 NFL games before they became good. You can't become good from sitting on the sidelines.

No matter how good they wind up, they still have a hard time adjusting whether they sit a year or play the first year. It makes no difference. The only difference is that when they play they learn quicker. 13 NFL GAMES. 13, Big Ben has more starts in the NFL then Feeley.

Yes Feeley deserves a chance. If he gets beat out so be it. But yes, players in the NFL are always coming back and having great seasons or solid seasons after years of medicority.
 
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