Will Philbin be our weakest link?

[KTOWNFINFAN]

NFL players shouldn't need the head coach to get motivated, they're not kids anymore.
My problem with Philbin was that he didn't intervene when Sherman was clearly screwing up. Maybe it was out of respect but it hurt the team. Hopefully he learned from that and won't hesitate step-in when needed in the future.

Whether they should or shouldn't really isn't the question. The bottom line is they DO respond better to different leaders. I understand where you are coming from, these players are making millions and have a lot to lose if they do not perform to their expected level. But lets use war as an example. Those men are putting their lives on the line (which is a lot more than NFL player's $$) and a good leader like Patton or Churchhill will have them walking through walls for their leader. So to say an NFL HC shouldn't have to motivate his players is not being realistic.

Any NFL player will tell you that the game is 80-90% mental. Getting your mind right and insync with your teammates is how a team can become greater than the sum of it's parts. Men will naturally follow a leader of men. Philbin would rather manipulate a situation than confront it. That mentality has turned into the face of the franchise. On 3rd and shorts we would rather massage the 1st down by throwing the ball, instead of telling the team you have faith in them and running it down their throats. That's just one example but it is in everything he does. Sherman complained at how he wanted to run the ball more but Philbin wouldn't let him.

Philbin is a good Xs Os type of cordinator, but not a leader of men.

 

[SkapePhin]

Those last two losses are at the feet of the offensive line.
Both games against division opponents..learned our tackles could do nothing effective, but pick themselves up.

When your line gives up a league high in sacks, no amount of coaching will matter.

Clabo where?
McKinnie where?

Yep..thought so.

And shouldn't a coach with a great gameplan have been able to gameplan around our very apparent weakness instead of trying to implement one that exposed our own weakness?


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[KTOWNFINFAN]

We have upgraded our GM, our OC (New system), our O-line (Albert! James!), DB's and possibly our running back. We have an exciting player in Landry, with the return of Gibson as well.
All these things I hope will see us in the playoffs this year.
But was it enough? I see Philbin as neutral in the equation of getting to the SB.
In your opinion, does he help or hurt our effort this year?

If you seriously think an OL of Albert, Thomas, Brenner, Shelley, and James is better than Martin, Richie, Pouncey, Jerry, and Claybo, then you are going to be in for a big surprise come week one. Our OL is CONSIDERABLY WORSE than it was this time last year, NOT better.

 

[SSnowman]

On 3rd and shorts we would rather massage the 1st down by throwing the ball, instead of telling the team you have faith in them and running it down their throats.

I'd lose faith in the players too after the 10th time they got negative yards on a 3rd and 1.

 

[Geforce]

The OL gave up 2 sacks vs Buff and none vs the Jets. These are facts. Did you see or smell sacks that were not there?

I think you are getting your games mixed up or you are saying of the seven sacks given up by the offense, the O-line was only responsible for two of them.

As for McKinnie only given up two sacks, Football Outsiders may have some dispute on that.

Under Pressure: McKinnie Woes
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2013/under-pressure-mckinnies-woes

 

[PhinFan1968]

Hurt us.

I've seen too many mistakes on his part during games over the past 2 seasons to think he's going to help us. He's also not very flexible in offensive philosophy. I like Lazor but I think he's going to be handcuffed somewhat by Philbin's lack of imagination.

I think we Dolphin fans need to temper our expectations for this "new" offense because of Joe Philbin.

I disagree. What's wrong with somebody seeing the negatives/positives and choosing to hope for the best and get excited about the possibilities the new season brings?

Feel free to temper away, but don't assume to speak for the whole.

I've been excited and been let down before...doesn't matter...has no impact on my life...so I'll continue to be hopeful for my team and expect great things. Isn't that what a fan's supposed to do?

 

[PhinFan1968]

If you seriously think an OL of Albert, Thomas, Brenner, Shelley, and James is better than Martin, Richie, Pouncey, Jerry, and Claybo, then you are going to be in for a big surprise come week one. Our OL is CONSIDERABLY WORSE than it was this time last year, NOT better.

Can't say I agree fully, though there is certainly room for question marks on the OL. I just have a strong feeling the Albert/Thomas left side combo is going to gel well. We're definitely at a shortage at center, no matter how you cut it...you can't go from pro-bowler to "who is that guy" and expect the same outcome. Shelley is a slight improvement over Jerry to me, and James will do better than last year's RT results, I just hope he gets to that level quick instead of needing the whole season.

One major piece of the OL that everybody seems to keep forgetting, or ignoring, is the coach. Does he not factor in?

 

[So Be]

I think you are getting your games mixed up or you are saying of the seven sacks given up by the offense, the O-line was only responsible for two of them.

As for McKinnie only given up two sacks, Football Outsiders may have some dispute on that.

Under Pressure: McKinnie Woes
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2013/under-pressure-mckinnies-woes

From what I saw, they pretty much agreed. Two were individually his fault and the other 2 not. DT was given 1 sack, and RT 1 for holding the ball longer than 4 seconds.

 

[Geforce]

Which is a reflection of the team's coach. Do you really think if Shula in his prime was the coach that they would have been so disconnected, as a team, with the playoffs on the line?? What about if the coach was BB or Carroll, or Harbaugh?? I hate NE but when the games count BB has them playing their very best ball of the season. That was when Brady was there or when he was out. A good/great coach has his team playing their best when that games matter the most. Our coach has done the exact opposite. He should have been fired at the end of last year, either with or instead of Ireland.

Interesting that you quantified your comment with Shula in his prime because Shula, with Marino as his QB, lost the last two games of the season twice in a three year period with the playoffs on the line.

 

[rent this space]

Whether they should or shouldn't really isn't the question. The bottom line is they DO respond better to different leaders. I understand where you are coming from, these players are making millions and have a lot to lose if they do not perform to their expected level. But lets use war as an example. Those men are putting their lives on the line (which is a lot more than NFL player's $$) and a good leader like Patton or Churchhill will have them walking through walls for their leader. So to say an NFL HC shouldn't have to motivate his players is not being realistic.

Any NFL player will tell you that the game is 80-90% mental. Getting your mind right and insync with your teammates is how a team can become greater than the sum of it's parts. Men will naturally follow a leader of men. Philbin would rather manipulate a situation than confront it. That mentality has turned into the face of the franchise. On 3rd and shorts we would rather massage the 1st down by throwing the ball, instead of telling the team you have faith in them and running it down their throats. That's just one example but it is in everything he does. Sherman complained at how he wanted to run the ball more but Philbin wouldn't let him.

Philbin is a good Xs Os type of cordinator, but not a leader of men.

if the players need Joe Philbin to motivate them when they have a shot at the playoffs, then we need new players. for true winners, it's not all about the money. do you think Tom Brady only wants to win so he doesn't lose millions of dollars? do you really think he needs a pep-talk from BB to play his best?
I understand where you're coming from and a true leader of men is a great thing, but there's more than one way to skin a cat. There are plenty of successful NFL coaches with a similar demeanor to Joe Philbin. Tom Landry, Bill Walsh and Tony Dungy come to mind.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

It's a fair question and one I go back and forth on. On the one hand, winning 8 games with a horrendous offensive line last year has to be considered an accomplishment. The team also played well against playoff teams and beat New England convincingly late in the season. Those last two games certainly leave a sour taste, though, especially against teams that I think had less talent.

I haven't seen much creativity out of Philbin and his coaching staff. The coaches misused Wallace, arguably the biggest playmaker on offense, and Jordan who showed well in very limited action.

All that said, I do agree with those who say this is a make or break season for Philbin. This is his first season with an offensive line that matches his philosophy, there's a new offensive coordinator in Lazor who seems to understand that Wallace needs to be utilized differently, so essentially it's a new start.

This season is Philbin's chance to convince his doubters that he is the man to lead the team in the future.

 

[SkapePhin]

It's a fair question and one I go back and forth on. On the one hand, winning 8 games with a horrendous offensive line last year has to be considered an accomplishment. The team also played well against playoff teams and beat New England convincingly late in the season. Those last two games certainly leave a sour taste, though, especially against teams that I think had less talent.

I haven't seen much creativity out of Philbin and his coaching staff. The coaches misused Wallace, arguably the biggest playmaker on offense, and Jordan who showed well in very limited action.

All that said, I do agree with those who say this is a make or break season for Philbin. This is his first season with an offensive line that matches his philosophy, there's a new offensive coordinator in Lazor who seems to understand that Wallace needs to be utilized differently, so essentially it's a new start.

This season is Philbin's chance to convince his doubters that he is the man to lead the team in the future.

Beat NE convincingly? Dolphins were a Mkchael Thomas hand away from losing the game. It was a great win, but there was nothing convincing about it.


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[Finland]

Are you talking about the same BB that went 36-44 with the Browns?

I think we are safe judging BB off his work with the Patriots at this point.

 

[Finland]

If you seriously think an OL of Albert, Thomas, Brenner, Shelley, and James is better than Martin, Richie, Pouncey, Jerry, and Claybo, then you are going to be in for a big surprise come week one. Our OL is CONSIDERABLY WORSE than it was this time last year, NOT better.

You are more than likely very correct

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

Philbin is the best coach we've had since Shula was forced out.

I respect your opinion bro however I totally disagree.