Wish we hadn't signed Chambers to that long contract.

[Motion]

Ok and....that still doesn't equate to what you regurgitated.

How do you figure? You said Wayne caught more of the balls thrown his way than Chambers and I said ball placement is a HUGE part of that in which obviously Manning>Fiedler/Feeley. You can't tell me QB talent doesn't have a huge effect on a WR's production. Not to mention the offensive schemes.

How can you fault the receiver for poorly thrown passes and bad schemes?

So yeah that does apply to what I said and you have completely contradicted yourself.

Chambers is a very talented WR on the verge of his breakout season now that we finally have a pass oriented OC. Half the "better" WRs you listed have done nothing in this league yet to be hyped up anymore than Chambers.

 

[wazzy]

Superself I know this is just your opinion but your preeching to the wrong crowd because it seems your the only one who feels this way about Chambers and you can't call us all homers on this one.

 

[LarryFinFan]

That sure TD catch he missed in the last preseason game by the pylon is what separates him from other WRs who routinely get 1000+ yard seasons and pro bowl births.

Players like Torry Holt, Andre Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Javon Walker, Reggie Wayne, Nate Burelson, Hines Ward, Roy Williams, Joe Horn,...etc would have caught that football.

I'm tired of the excuses with Chambers. He has to step it up and be that deep threat!! Yes that means beating double teams and making the hard catch. Its what other damn good WRs do.

And what do all of those guys have in common ?? A very good QB...Who has Chambers' "very good QB" been ??? Case closed.

 

[DPlus47]

if we hadn't made that draft day trade with dallas, we could have drafted quincy carter instead! then we wouldn't have this dead weight receiver and our QB problems would be solved!

 

[ac_lanham]

but the something that makes him great is not quite there...

How about a quarterback with a stronger arm than my grandma...?

 

[yankeehillbilly]

How do you figure? You said Wayne caught more of the balls thrown his way than Chambers and I said ball placement is a HUGE part of that in which obviously Manning>Fiedler/Feeley. You can't tell me QB talent doesn't have a huge effect on a WR's production. Not to mention the offensive schemes.

How can you fault the receiver for poorly thrown passes and bad schemes?

So yeah that does apply to what I said and you have completely contradicted yourself.

Chambers is a very talented WR on the verge of his breakout season now that we finally have a pass oriented OC. Half the "better" WRs you listed have done nothing in this league yet to be hyped up anymore than Chambers.

Also remember that with Harrison in the lineup, Reggie Wayne does not get double teamed. So you have Peyton Manning in an efficient powerful offense, throwing the ball to a single covered receiver VS Jay Fiedler in a "monkey F------ a football" kind of offense throwing the ball to a double covered receiver.
Which one do you think is going to catch the higher percentage of passes?

 

[ohall]

That sure TD catch he missed in the last preseason game by the pylon is what separates him from other WRs who routinely get 1000+ yard seasons and pro bowl births.

Players like Torry Holt, Andre Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Javon Walker, Reggie Wayne, Nate Burelson, Hines Ward, Roy Williams, Joe Horn,...etc would have caught that football.

I'm tired of the excuses with Chambers. He has to step it up and be that deep threat!! Yes that means beating double teams and making the hard catch. Its what other damn good WRs do.

I more than understand where you are coming from.

We just have to hope this guy will finally have a break out year. I know he has the talent to do so, we have just not seen it yet.

Keep the faith!

 

[Justasportsfan]

These are not "elite" WRs.

Neither is Chambers. Does he have the potential, yes. But he isn't yet.

With that being said, I don't think Superself should be worrying about Chambers who just happens to be the best wr on your team. There are a lot of players to be worried about and he isn't one of them. Start w/ the ones throwing to him and the ones (OL) protecting them.

 

[The Samurai]

Agreed, Out of all the players we have to worry and complain about Chambers is the last one we should be talking about. He is probably the more promising players on the team.

 

[Motion]

Neither is Chambers. Does he have the potential, yes. But he isn't yet.

i wasn't implying he was.

 

[Superself]

Superself I know this is just your opinion but your preeching to the wrong crowd because it seems your the only one who feels this way about Chambers and you can't call us all homers on this one.

I'm not preaching to anyone. I never view a post as someone preaching. Not sure how you figure that. It is just another person sharing their views.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me. Wouldn't be as interesting.

 

[Finaddict]

These threads are funny.

Everybody on our team sucks...blah, blah, blah.

What do you expect? Everyone has been spoiled with MArino for years!

 

[burger13]

A couple more things here:

Of the WR that you put on your "special" list. Chambers had more TD catches in '03 (11) than Andre Johnson has in his career (10). As many as Burleson has in his career (11), more than Chad Johnson in his best year (10).

As for Reggie Wayne, they were both drafted in the '01, Wayne in the first round to go play with Peyton, Edge and Marvin. Chambers in the second round to go play with Jay, Lamar and Oronde. So Wayne should have dominant career stats throught the first 4 years, no??

Wayne - 221 rec, 3109 yards, 14.1 avg, 23 TD
Chambers - 233 rec, 3478 yards, 14.9 avg, 28 TD

Wow, look at that!! Chambers has outproduced Wayne with absolutely INFERIOR supporting cast. Case closed, end of story, have a nice day!!

 

[wazzy]

I'm not preaching to anyone. I never view a post as someone preaching. Not sure how you figure that. It is just another person sharing their views.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me. Wouldn't be as interesting.

Nicely put but I just don't understand how can you can get an opinion like this on Chambers. Alright im going to ask you 1 question and answer it truthfully.


If chambers played in Marvin Harrisons spot on the Colts do you think he has the tools to have like a thounsand yard season get a good amount of touch downs and look like a superstar or a great player? IF not why? IF so explain?

 

[Superself]

How do you figure?

Easy, I didn't say what you wrote I said.
Simple as that.
I simply put a up a few stats comparing Wayne to Chambers because someone said that they would take Chambers over Wayne. I would rather have Wayne...but thats just me.

I never said that Feely/Fiedler had the QB skill of Manning at all. I also said that all of those missed footballs were NOT in fact poorly thrown balls.

82 Balls were not caught by Chambers when he was the main target. I believe that 50-60% of those were due to poor passing...and the rest were dropped balls.

You said Wayne caught more of the balls thrown his way than Chambers and I said ball placement is a HUGE part of that in which obviously Manning>Fiedler/Feeley. You can't tell me QB talent doesn't have a huge effect on a WR's production. Not to mention the offensive schemes.

How can you fault the receiver for poorly thrown passes and bad schemes?

All true and I don't fault Chambers for poorly thrown balls. The balls he should have caught are the ones I'm faulting him for...similar to the one he should have caught on Saturday.

So yeah that does apply to what I said and you have completely contradicted yourself.

No I did not.