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Wish we hadn't signed Chambers to that long contract.

The problem is less the quality of the QBs than the system. Before last year, the Fins were attempting about 450 passes a year. Most NFL teams are closer to 550. If 60% of those extra 100 passes are completed, that's 60 more completed passes for the season.

The extra 60 completions for the team are pretty big. A No. 1 receiver will usualy get around 25-35% of his team's completions. With 60 extra completions, that's an extra 15-20 catches and another 200-300 yards. In other words, the difference between a 65 rec., 900 yard season and an 85 catch 1200 yard season. That's basically the difference, production-wise, between a Chambers and an Owens, Ward, etc.

The next part that plays into it is the nature of the team's passing game. Some teams throw almost all of their passes to WRs. Others use their RBs and TEs a lot. Last year, the Fins attempted a lot more passes, but completed 86 of them to TEs. That's a pretty big number. If you look at the other WRs that have put up big reception numbers on bad teams with bad QBs (including Booker and Boston), you'll generally see that they rarely throw to the TE and throw most of their passes to the WRs. Similarly, look at the reception numbers for the no. 1 receivers on teams with the top receiving TEs: SD/Gates (47), KC/Gonzalez (62), NYG/Shockey (51), MIA/McMichael (69), Min (68), ATL (45). TEs take receptions away from WRs and you rarely see a team with a TE who puts up big receiving numbers and WRs who do the same. If 45 of those completions to Fins TEs went to WRs and Chambers got 25-35% of them, that would be an extra 10-15 catches.

That said, and while I think there are legitimate reasons why Chambers hasn't put up the huge numbers, there do seem to be more games than there should be where he just kinda disappears. Hopefully, he'll step it up this year.
 
Watch some of the balls he drops...one of his drops was with three defenders draped all over him. Cut him some slack.
 
Superself said:
It does play into the equation. But there are no hard facts to use that I know of to offset everyone's numbers to accomodate for it. WRs are not ranked based on that criteria either.

Exactly. So don't compare. You basically just admitted that you started a thread to trash one of our best based on some rediculous accusations that you can't defend in any reasonable fashion. The fact that you had no plausible argument didn't stop you though, nope, you just kept on typing and said to hell with logic, I'm getting attention. It's called being irresponsible. Journalists get fired for it, or at least they should. I'll be sure to ignore any more of your threads. Too annoying.
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I don't think Chambers should've gotten the big contract either, but I also don't think the missed catch by the pylon is the right reason why. What has Chambers done to show he's a #1 receiver in the NFL? He's done a LOT to show he's a damn good number TWO receiver in the NFL, but not a number one. And don't tell me he hasn't had a line or a QB. David Boston had 98 catches for nearly 1,600 yards with Jake Plummer, no line, and no running back. Tell me what HE would've done for us the year Ricky rushed for over 1,800 yards?
 
Superself said:
Dude calm down.

I was making a simple estimate which was probably off. My whole point wasn't based on it anyway.
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Off? heh...man that was past off...that was trying to make Chambers look bad.

Alright people, Zach Thomas missed last preseason game. All in favor to cut him say I.

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And I feel we gave Chambers the right amount of money. Once we get a QB who can throw it down field ACCURATELY, his numbers will increase, and I promise you a 1,000 yard season.

I still dont get whats so important about 1,000 yards. I'd rather have the touchdowns.
 
Good Point

jjizzim said:
Yea but with chambers it has not just been the QB, it was also the coaching, the system, no running game, and a lack of an effective offensive line to give the QB time to find open receivers. With all of these things added up, it's amazing that he has had the receiving yards that he has so far. I say you will see him crack that mark this year with the new inphasis on passing downfield and hopefully an improved oline, because without an effective oline, downfield passing is not possible.
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Good points.

I truly do hope he breaks out big time.
 
Superself said:
82 Balls were not caught by Chambers when he was the main target. I believe that 50-60% of those were due to poor passing...and the rest were dropped balls.
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This is so idiotic. Not every ball that is thrown towards a wide reciever but not caught is a dropped ball. There are also defenders who knock the ball down or make it close to impossible for Chambers to make the catch. Assuming that the other balls that werent caught were dropped balls is just plain stupid.
 
Superself said:
That sure TD catch he missed in the last preseason game by the pylon is what separates him from other WRs who routinely get 1000+ yard seasons and pro bowl births.

Players like Torry Holt, Andre Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Javon Walker, Reggie Wayne, Nate Burelson, Hines Ward, Roy Williams, Joe Horn,...etc would have caught that football.

I'm tired of the excuses with Chambers. He has to step it up and be that deep threat!! Yes that means beating double teams and making the hard catch. Its what other damn good WRs do.
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This is mouse poop..Chambers didn't derserve his contract? What the hell have you been watching these last five years..He led the AFC in TD's just two years ago..He had the QB with the weakest arm in NFL history..Did you ever see some of his amazing catches..Hunh? I'm dumbfounded by this one Self.
 
This thread is ignorant in just about every way possible. It was motivated by one dropped ball in a preseason game. He seems to believe that Chambers drops 35 balls a year when it was no more than 5 since the he didnt make the top 20 players in dropped passes. Chad Johnson was first with 14 drops and there were about 7 players tied with 6 and none of them were Chris Chambers so there for at the very most he only had 5 drops.
 
This is a little of tack of a thread. Well we signed him. So we must support our players we can not give up on them. I like Chambers. It is the qb's prob. He is decent.
 
Superself said:
That sure TD catch he missed in the last preseason game by the pylon is what separates him from other WRs who routinely get 1000+ yard seasons and pro bowl births.

Players like Torry Holt, Andre Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Javon Walker, Reggie Wayne, Nate Burelson, Hines Ward, Roy Williams, Joe Horn,...etc would have caught that football.

I'm tired of the excuses with Chambers. He has to step it up and be that deep threat!! Yes that means beating double teams and making the hard catch. Its what other damn good WRs do.
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Even "IF" he caught that, it was no touchdown as you say it would be. He would be out of bounds after the catch, since he would have just gotten his toes down.

Point is, the ball was poorly placed. Should he have caught it? Yes. Would it be a touchdown? Not with that placement. It would have been 1st and goal.
 
Preseason counts for NOTHING. He could have not even bothered going down for it and it still would mean nothing
 
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