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Would Marino Be Getting The Kind of Flack That Tannehill Does?

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Hey everyone,

First of all I know what a large can of worms I am playing with in starting this thread. It's not a thread to bash Marino or Tannehill and it's not a thread to say that I think Tannehill is better than Marino. I just want to present some statistics for the pure art of conversation and try to present perspective. With all that in mind, progress forward IF YOU DARE!

Marino is without question the best QB that this franchise has ever seen and is reverted by most, if not all fans, to be a Dolphin-God. Anyways, I have always looked at passer rating on NFL.com and kept up with stats that way, perhaps that's a flaw, I'm not sure. I still find what I found interesting. Below is Marino's career stats with presented passer rating...

Year


Team


GAttCompPctAtt/GYdsAvgYds/GTDTD%IntInt%Lng20+40+SckSckYRate
1999 Miami Dolphins 1136920455.333.52,4486.6222.5123.3174.66237596667.4
1998 Miami Dolphins 1653731057.733.63,4976.5218.6234.3152.861T4562317880.0
1997 Miami Dolphins 1654831958.234.23,7806.9236.2162.9112.0554942013280.7
1996 Miami Dolphins 1337322159.228.72,7957.5215.0174.692.474T39101813187.8
1995 Miami Dolphins 1448230964.134.43,6687.6262.0245.0153.167T4072215390.8
1994 Miami Dolphins 1661538562.638.44,4537.2278.3304.9172.864T5571811389.2
1993 Miami Dolphins 51509160.730.01,2188.1243.685.332.080T18474295.9
1992 Miami Dolphins 1655433059.634.64,1167.4257.2244.3162.962T45122817385.1
1991 Miami Dolphins 1654931857.934.33,9707.2248.1254.6132.4544462718285.8
1990 Miami Dolphins 1653130657.633.23,5636.7222.7214.0112.169T00159082.6
1989 Miami Dolphins 1655030856.034.43,9977.3249.8244.4224.078T00108676.9
1988 Miami Dolphins 1660635458.437.94,4347.3277.1284.6233.880T0063180.8
1987 Miami Dolphins 1244426359.237.03,2457.3270.4265.9132.959T0097789.2
1986 Miami Dolphins 1662337860.738.94,7467.6296.6447.1233.785T001711992.5
1985 Miami Dolphins 1656733659.335.44,1377.3258.6305.3213.773001815784.1
1984 Miami Dolphins 1656436264.235.25,0849.0317.8488.5173.080T0013120108.9
1983 Miami Dolphins 1129617358.426.92,2107.5200.9206.862.085T00108096.0
TOTAL2428,3584,96759.434.561,3617.3253.64205.02523.085372612701,93086.4


Okay. Now in looking at this chart you can see that as good as Marino was, he spent most of his career at and 85 passer rating or below. 9 seasons to be exact. You look at that and see he only went above a passer rating of 90 4 times in his career in the years of '83, '84, '86, and '95. Being above 90 is what many refer to as being a great QB, yet Marino himself barely did this. Along with this, Marino had multiple years of play around a 80 passer rating with even one year dipping into the mid 70's. Many probably would say that, "well that was probably his rookie year". First off, most fans are probably more familiar with Marino's early career than his later career. Marino had a 76.9 in 1989, producing 24 TDs and 22 interceptions. I'll let you all dive deeper into those stats if you want.

Next is Tannehill's stats over the past 3 years...


Year
TeamGAttCompPctAtt/GYdsAvgYds/GTDTD%IntInt%Lng20+40+SckSckYRate
2014 Miami Dolphins 724715462.335.31,6196.6231.3114.562.4501511710086.1
2013 Miami Dolphins 1658835560.436.83,9136.7244.6244.1172.96746105839981.7
2012 Miami Dolphins 1648428258.330.23,2946.8205.9122.5132.780T4033523476.1
TOTAL391,31979160.033.88,8266.7226.3473.6362.7801011411073380.4

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Okay. Now the sample size is arguable. I mean we are looking at Marino's 242 games to Tannehill's 39. However, with the exception of his rookie season passer rating at 76.1, Tannehill is currently playing around the same level as Marino spent a majority of his career on.

I'm not trying to say Tannehill is better than Marino, Marino is terrible, Tannehill is great, or whatever lines that I imagine people could draw off of this thread. I'm trying to pose the question, why does Tannehill get so much flack? Marino produced early so maybe that's why, he had it clear that he could do it out of the gate. Marino's passer rating for his career was an 86.4. Tannehill's thus far through the season is an 86.1 and his career sits at an 80.

Would Marino be as crucified and questioned as Tannehill for his play? His stats, minus those 4 seasons above 90, are really not out of where Tannehill is playing right now. That is what I am trying to convey. I know people will say the game has changed, passer rating is a wasted statistic, Marino is something Tannehill never could be, etc.

I'm just curious to why so many people think Tannehill can't be our guy, perhaps it's just everyone loves the breeze coming off of that revolving door lol.
 
Oh yea, totally. Every team has overreacting fans. If you look at the Patriots board after we beat them week 1, most were ready to bench Brady.
 
It's not an apples to apples comparison, since the game has changed since Marino played. You also have to consider that Marino spent the latter years of his career dealing with brutal injuries and then with Jimmy Johnson actively sabotaging his play. Marino's 1984 season is the single greatest individual seasonal performance in NFL history. Nothing even comes close, IMO.

Some of the criticism of the QB is very good, and justified, and I agree with it. Some of the criticism of the QB is nonsense. It is possible to support the QB, think he is going to be great, and still agree that he has issues to work through.
 
Tannehill gets flack because of Marino. Fin fans will be forever in search of a QB to replace Marino and it will never happen.
 
Tannehill gets flack because of Marino. Fin fans will be forever in search of a QB to replace Marino and it will never happen.

I think this is part of the problem honestly. We see what Marino did early and if the prospect hasn't reached that level by year two they are labeled a bust and shown the door.
 
Tannehill gets flack because of Marino. Fin fans will be forever in search of a QB to replace Marino and it will never happen.

Wow, that's a depressing point of view. Why will it never happen?

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I think this is part of the problem honestly. We see what Marino did early and if the prospect hasn't reached that level by year two they are labeled a bust and shown the door.

That obviously isnt true, RT is in his 3rd year.
 
Yes he would....if the internet was around we would hear loads of **** about him not being in the playoffs more etc etc...
 
Marino is a top 5 all time QB and played in a different era where you cannot compare #s. Sure he'd be getting grief for not winning it all(foolish w/ the teams he had around him) but he wouldn't be getting Tannehill grief. Ryan is all about potential, Dan was great basically from day 1.
 
Tannehill gets flack because of Marino. Fin fans will be forever in search of a QB to replace Marino and it will never happen.

That's pretty negative Dude. Luck replaced Manning in Indy...We could have had Drew Brees...We have just sucked at picking QB's since Marino left.
 
The game & rules have completely changed in the last 30 years.

If a young Dan Marino played in today's NFL, he'd have a 120 passer rating every year.

What's more relevant is where a QB stands relative to his peers.

And for QB passer rating, Miami (with Tannehill) is currently ranked #25 out of 32 teams.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...nference=ALL&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING

In contrast, 1984 Miami Dolphins were #1 in passer rating, #1 in yds/pass, #1 in yds/game, #1 in passing TDs.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...fensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false

Heck, back in 1984, if a team had a passer rating over 85, they were ranked in the top 5 (out of 28 teams).

Back in 1984, passer rating of 85 was ELITE. Today, passer rating of 85 is BAD. The game & rules have changed dramatically.
 
Tannehill gets flack because of Marino. Fin fans will be forever in search of a QB to replace Marino and it will never happen.

I'm not sure. I think Fiedler was underappreciated b/c you guys were spoiled w/ Dan but it's been a long time now. I think phin fans just want consistent, quality play.
 
There's 32 teams in the NFL. You can name maybe 5 QBs that are currently elite. 2 of them have been in the league for over 10 years. Your chances of finding one of the elites is very slim.
 
Hey everyone,

First of all I know what a large can of worms I am playing with in starting this thread. It's not a thread to bash Marino or Tannehill and it's not a thread to say that I think Tannehill is better than Marino. I just want to present some statistics for the pure art of conversation and try to present perspective. With all that in mind, progress forward IF YOU DARE!

Marino is without question the best QB that this franchise has ever seen and is reverted by most, if not all fans, to be a Dolphin-God. Anyways, I have always looked at passer rating on NFL.com and kept up with stats that way, perhaps that's a flaw, I'm not sure. I still find what I found interesting. Below is Marino's career stats with presented passer rating...

Year


Team


GAttCompPctAtt/GYdsAvgYds/GTDTD%IntInt%Lng20+40+SckSckYRate
1999 Miami Dolphins 1136920455.333.52,4486.6222.5123.3174.66237596667.4
1998 Miami Dolphins 1653731057.733.63,4976.5218.6234.3152.861T4562317880.0
1997 Miami Dolphins 1654831958.234.23,7806.9236.2162.9112.0554942013280.7
1996 Miami Dolphins 1337322159.228.72,7957.5215.0174.692.474T39101813187.8
1995 Miami Dolphins 1448230964.134.43,6687.6262.0245.0153.167T4072215390.8
1994 Miami Dolphins 1661538562.638.44,4537.2278.3304.9172.864T5571811389.2
1993 Miami Dolphins 51509160.730.01,2188.1243.685.332.080T18474295.9
1992 Miami Dolphins 1655433059.634.64,1167.4257.2244.3162.962T45122817385.1
1991 Miami Dolphins 1654931857.934.33,9707.2248.1254.6132.4544462718285.8
1990 Miami Dolphins 1653130657.633.23,5636.7222.7214.0112.169T00159082.6
1989 Miami Dolphins 1655030856.034.43,9977.3249.8244.4224.078T00108676.9
1988 Miami Dolphins 1660635458.437.94,4347.3277.1284.6233.880T0063180.8
1987 Miami Dolphins 1244426359.237.03,2457.3270.4265.9132.959T0097789.2
1986 Miami Dolphins 1662337860.738.94,7467.6296.6447.1233.785T001711992.5
1985 Miami Dolphins 1656733659.335.44,1377.3258.6305.3213.773001815784.1
1984 Miami Dolphins 1656436264.235.25,0849.0317.8488.5173.080T0013120108.9
1983 Miami Dolphins 1129617358.426.92,2107.5200.9206.862.085T00108096.0
TOTAL2428,3584,96759.434.561,3617.3253.64205.02523.085372612701,93086.4


Okay. Now in looking at this chart you can see that as good as Marino was, he spent most of his career at and 85 passer rating or below. 9 seasons to be exact. You look at that and see he only went above a passer rating of 90 4 times in his career in the years of '83, '84, '86, and '95. Being above 90 is what many refer to as being a great QB, yet Marino himself barely did this. Along with this, Marino had multiple years of play around a 80 passer rating with even one year dipping into the mid 70's. Many probably would say that, "well that was probably his rookie year". First off, most fans are probably more familiar with Marino's early career than his later career. Marino had a 76.9 in 1989, producing 24 TDs and 22 interceptions. I'll let you all dive deeper into those stats if you want.

Next is Tannehill's stats over the past 3 years...


Year
TeamGAttCompPctAtt/GYdsAvgYds/GTDTD%IntInt%Lng20+40+SckSckYRate
2014 Miami Dolphins 724715462.335.31,6196.6231.3114.562.4501511710086.1
2013 Miami Dolphins 1658835560.436.83,9136.7244.6244.1172.96746105839981.7
2012 Miami Dolphins 1648428258.330.23,2946.8205.9122.5132.780T4033523476.1
TOTAL391,31979160.033.88,8266.7226.3473.6362.7801011411073380.4

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[TR]
Okay. Now the sample size is arguable. I mean we are looking at Marino's 242 games to Tannehill's 39. However, with the exception of his rookie season passer rating at 76.1, Tannehill is currently playing around the same level as Marino spent a majority of his career on.

I'm not trying to say Tannehill is better than Marino, Marino is terrible, Tannehill is great, or whatever lines that I imagine people could draw off of this thread. I'm trying to pose the question, why does Tannehill get so much flack? Marino produced early so maybe that's why, he had it clear that he could do it out of the gate. Marino's passer rating for his career was an 86.4. Tannehill's thus far through the season is an 86.1 and his career sits at an 80.

Would Marino be as crucified and questioned as Tannehill for his play? His stats, minus those 4 seasons above 90, are really not out of where Tannehill is playing right now. That is what I am trying to convey. I know people will say the game has changed, passer rating is a wasted statistic, Marino is something Tannehill never could be, etc.

I'm just curious to why so many people think Tannehill can't be our guy, perhaps it's just everyone loves the breeze coming off of that revolving door lol.


You cannot compare these guys just based on passer rating because of the passing rules and era.You have to compare him to players of his era. Tannehill's qb rating does not place him in the top 20 of todays qb, Marino was consistently one of the better qb's of his era based on rating. There is no comparing Marino and Tannehill , MArino was one of the best ever.
 
It's not an apples to apples comparison, since the game has changed since Marino played. You also have to consider that Marino spent the latter years of his career dealing with brutal injuries and then with Jimmy Johnson actively sabotaging his play. Marino's 1984 season is the single greatest individual seasonal performance in NFL history. Nothing even comes close, IMO.

Some of the criticism of the QB is very good, and justified, and I agree with it. Some of the criticism of the QB is nonsense. It is possible to support the QB, think he is going to be great, and still agree that he has issues to work through.

Exactly.
 
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