Would you rather have a winning season with Moore or a losing one with Tannehill?

[13ktownguy]

I want Tannehill to hold the clipboard and learn from the others,he needs to get comfortable with the speed of the NFL before he takes the reins.

 

[Killerphins]

Do what the Bengals did with Dalton. Start developing him as soon as possible.
Who wants another season to end like 2008. It was a waste of time to have Pennington start when Henne was drafted.
Don't make the same mistakes as Sparano, Henning and Lee.
They were all idiots.

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We don't live in a vacuum sorry guys. I'd take wins now... even though this is an outright silly hypothetical.

You take the winning season. Everyone who says "who cares about the playoffs if you're not going to win the superbowl" is a complete moron or just isn't paying attention. The Giants were NOWHERE near the Superbowl favorites last year going into the playoffs but hey guess what happened? They got there, they got hot at the right time and they beat the Patriots, everyone's darling.

Funny how that works, huh? If you want your team to lose, you're not a real fan. I understand the logic of it, but being illogical is what sports are all about. It's why people seem to think a guy sitting or playing makes a goddamn lick of difference. Tannehill doesn't have any mechanical issues. His issues are that of game speed and adjusting to reads. Guess how that improves? GAME PLAY.

So if I want them to play Tannehill I'm not a true fan. That makes no god damn sense.

 

[Vaark]

We closed out the season playing .667 ball over more than half the season with Moore who took over a demoralized team with fans actively rooting against them and did more than alright. Assuming we can find some WR to be a league leader in dropsies, especially those game-changing RZ and EZ ones, that position won't hurt us too much especially in the west coast offense. Otherwise I don't see how we haven't improved beyond that from the OL to the Running game to of course the coaching. I say let's go for the gusto, riding Moore and we'll know soon enough whether we're gonna be pleasantly surprised like in 08 or if if the season is destined to be a rebuild in which case we insert T-Hill after he's had a few games to observe. Either way, we'll come out ahead IMO.

 

[Adam Strange]

I should add that I believe strongly that winning in the base for more winning . IT DOES matter to me, most fans and maybe even more important, to our players and other players in the NFL if we win football games. No one that really cares just wants to collect a pay check and lose.

A 9-7 season or better under Moore could bring about a 10-6 or better season under Tannehill next year.

Have to go to the Doctor, be back later. I consider this poll to be serious.

You can strongly believe what you want, but you're wrong. Winning 9 games in 2005 didn't lead to more winning. It led to back-to-back losing seasons. Winning in 2008 didn't lead to more winning. It led to three straight losing seasons.

 

[Jetsfan0099]

I doubt you'll have a winning record with either at QB, with Bess and Hartline as your starting WRs. I can see the defense dropping off without Mike Nolan as well. Reggie Bush was great last season, but hes injury prone. Lamar Miller was off most teams draft boards because teams threw red flags on his knee and shoulder.

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

If you had a crystal ball that really worked and found out that these were the only two options then I'd take the winning season in a heartbeat. None of us can tell the future though so if the coaching staff feels Tannehill can handle the pressure and it won't ruin him to go in there and take his lumps like David Carr then I say let Ryan start. To be honest I'm not even that high on Tannehill and I didn't really like the pick but I do have hope that he is going to be our franchise QB which is something I'm 100% sure neither Moore or Garrard are going to be.

 

[Charlie Rivers]

This thread is :crazy:

 

[jason_taylor]

IMO, Matt Moore gives us the chance to have a winning season. I think we should at least have a 10=6 year with him starting.

I think at best starting Ryan Tannehill could bring us 6 wins or less and risk getting him hurt.

So, would you rather see Ryan Tannehill get the experience now and have us lose for another season or have possible winning season with Matt Moore?

the way i see it if we go anything under 10-6 then we dont have a chance at the playoffs , and 7-9 , 6-10 exc exc. isnt getting us nothing more than a better pick in the draft so imo if we can go 10-6 or better than if moore can do it give the reins to him but it isnt going to help us at all nomatter who starts as far as winning but if moore can take us to a playoff game great,,let tanny sit and learn but if tanny can get up to speed of the NFL and can play at a high level great its hard to know anything as of right now.

 

[NYPhin24]

I doubt you'll have a winning record with either at QB, with Bess and Hartline as your starting WRs. I can see the defense dropping off without Mike Nolan as well. Reggie Bush was great last season, but hes injury prone. Lamar Miller was off most teams draft boards because teams threw red flags on his knee and shoulder.

1st off every single person doubted the Bengals would have a winning season last year, everyone doubted 49ers could be a play away from the Superbowl

as for the starting WRs, the Jets WRs were average to mediocre last season, your #1 WR had 51 catches for 600 yards, quit on his team, and is a locker room cancer oh and he hates your pretty boy QB, your #2 is Jeremy Kerley who is at best a slot WR, your 3rd WR is a rookie who caught 30 balls in college, tell Tom Brady that WRs make you a winning team, also tell that Alex Smith working with Ted Ginn, you never know with WRs what they can or cant do, ask Laurent Robinson

"Reggie Bush was great last season, but injury prone" (every single player in the NFL on any given play can tear an ACL).......real breaking news there, great reason for doubting him, shonn greene is the definition of an injury prone soft RB, Stafford was labeled as injury prone coming into this season, howd that work out?

Again thanks for stating the obvious on Lamar Miller, in the 4th round its great value with big upside, and the fact that your using Lamar Miller's red flags as a main reason for not having a winning record just shows how hollow your reason are, the guy will maybe get on the field 10 plays a game this season

as for your Mike Nolan point, the defense under Nolan consistently dissapeared in the 4th quarter of games playing prevent and stopped being aggressive I.E the Patriots game in New England the Phins came out blitzing every play sending pressure at Brady and the Pats were nearly shut out in the 1st hald and the Dolphins had a lead, the whole second half Nolan stopped calling blitzes, was dropping everyone and playing it safe and the Pats came right back and won the game, dont get me wrong Nolan is a great football guy, but the defense would dissapear at big points in the game playing ti safe

and just for reference when the Jets had a new coach and rookie QB in 09, im sure their were tons of doubters including Jets fans, and look what happened, and last season Jets fans the media were riding high on the Jets predicting 12-4 records and success, howd that work out?

oh the Jets just signed Yeremiah Bell, goodluck with him in Laron Landry at the safety spots, the Jets now have the the 2 biggest coverage liabilities in football, Yeremiah is great as an in the box play the run come up and tackle safety, but he cant run with anyone anymore

 

[juicifer1269]

Anybody who replied losing with Tannehill is either lying to themselves or absolutely not a fan. I strongly believe that every single Dolphin fan would not give a damn who the starting QB is if the team was winning. Like a post above, I think all Dolphin fans would chose winning with Tannehill this year but ultimately it really doesn't matter as long as you are winning. Ask Broncos fans how they felt their season was last year after winning the division with the worst starting QB in recent history. All that matters ultimately is winning. That's why I think it is bogus that any Dolphin fan would say with a straight face that they wouldn't want to win with Matt Moore. Winning for decades at a time affords you the luxury of being critical about the way you win, like Steelers fans complaining that their running game is ordinary and their QB gets hit too much. Also like Colts fans complaining about their running game and shoddy defensive play.
Lets just win baby.

 

[LikeUntoGod]

Jetsfan0099 was one of the 14% that voted fro Tannehill starting no matter if we win or not. I personally consider that funny............

Going back to the important of winning games. Sure, they are odd years like 2008 and we have had way to many HC and QB shake ups to keep us level.

But I think most losing sports programs at every level want to win a few more games then the last season and maybe even have a chance for a run in the playoffs. We have new, better coaches and a possible "franchise" rookie QB. I'd like to start building a "team" and start improving with a coaching staff that will be here for a while.

I'm 100% certain that it matters to our players and to other players in the NFL and college who might be future Dolphins that our coaching staff wants to win every game possible. The "suck for Luck" or "lose but teach Tannehill" plans are not going to make the other 54 players on this team feel any better. If they have any pride they are here to win games and not to "blow off" a season to "get Tannehill up to speed".

Andy Dalton played because he won the starting QB job, as did Cam Newton etc.

I've always said that if Tannehill beats out Moore and Garrard then OMG yes he should start. (unless it looks like he is on the way to being sacked 55 times then I'd put almost anyone else in)

Players want to come play for teams that have coaches that believe in starting the players that gives them the best chance to win the most games and get into the post season. Losing breeds losing, winning breeds winning.

 

[Dolphanaholic]

Elliott got to agree with you these threads make me insane, count me in I want a losing season so we can educate the rookie qb Jezus Johnson

 

[Jetsfan0099]

1st off every single person doubted the Bengals would have a winning season last year, everyone doubted 49ers could be a play away from the Superbowl

as for the starting WRs, the Jets WRs were average to mediocre last season, your #1 WR had 51 catches for 600 yards, quit on his team, and is a locker room cancer oh and he hates your pretty boy QB, your #2 is Jeremy Kerley who is at best a slot WR, your 3rd WR is a rookie who caught 30 balls in college, tell Tom Brady that WRs make you a winning team, also tell that Alex Smith working with Ted Ginn, you never know with WRs what they can or cant do, ask Laurent Robinson

"Reggie Bush was great last season, but injury prone" (every single player in the NFL on any given play can tear an ACL).......real breaking news there, great reason for doubting him, shonn greene is the definition of an injury prone soft RB, Stafford was labeled as injury prone coming into this season, howd that work out?

Again thanks for stating the obvious on Lamar Miller, in the 4th round its great value with big upside, and the fact that your using Lamar Miller's red flags as a main reason for not having a winning record just shows how hollow your reason are, the guy will maybe get on the field 10 plays a game this season

as for your Mike Nolan point, the defense under Nolan consistently dissapeared in the 4th quarter of games playing prevent and stopped being aggressive I.E the Patriots game in New England the Phins came out blitzing every play sending pressure at Brady and the Pats were nearly shut out in the 1st hald and the Dolphins had a lead, the whole second half Nolan stopped calling blitzes, was dropping everyone and playing it safe and the Pats came right back and won the game, dont get me wrong Nolan is a great football guy, but the defense would dissapear at big points in the game playing ti safe

and just for reference when the Jets had a new coach and rookie QB in 09, im sure their were tons of doubters including Jets fans, and look what happened, and last season Jets fans the media were riding high on the Jets predicting 12-4 records and success, howd that work out?

oh the Jets just signed Yeremiah Bell, goodluck with him in Laron Landry at the safety spots, the Jets now have the the 2 biggest coverage liabilities in football, Yeremiah is great as an in the box play the run come up and tackle safety, but he cant run with anyone anymore

Defensive much?

The Dolphins defense went from 22nd in YPG in 2009, to top 10 in YPG in 2010, and 15th in 2011. The Bengals had a more talented team and played a really easy schedule. The 49ers had a loaded defense and Harbaugh is a great coach.
Yeah a elite QB can make it work with mediocre WRs, but I don't see the Dolphins elite QB. So I don't get the Tom Brady comparison since you don't have him on the Dolphins. The Jets WRs were mediocre last season, it was one of their issues. I expect Holmes will be much better, hes easily a better WR than what the Dolphins have, last season there were some issues but it seems like they have been working them out as Mark and Holmes have hung out a lot and both are at the facilities for the offseason programs. Cowher thinks Holmes is ready to move on and will bounce back this year. Burress was worthless outside of the redzone. Kerley is not the Jets #2 WR, Stephen Hill will start. And you knock on him but hes way more talented than any WR the Dolphins have, 6'4 runs a 4.30. Should open things up downfield.

Way to make stuff up saying that Greene is injury prone and Bush isn't, last I checked Greene played all 16 games last season and the season before (sat out the last game when the Jets were resting starters in 2010). Reggie Bush hasn't played a full season since his rookie season.

The Jets had a better overall team in 2009 than the Dolphins have, they had the #1 rushing attack and #1 defense. And a lot of people were down on the Jets going into last season, a lot of Jets fans. and lol at the 2 biggest liabilities, they will have a role in this defense and should be better than what we had last season.

 

[Uruguayfinfan]

Im confused. The poll says that an 8-8 season is a winning season??

Let Tannehill be the starter if and only if he's seriously playing better than his competition (moore, garrard). Otherwise, don't start him.

 

[Dsteve]

moore sucks. id rather see what the rookie has than waste another year with a guy who is nothing more than a backup.