Dolfan Dave
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Clyde Gates is a few steps faster than Hartline too. I guess that makes him better.
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Clyde Gates is a few steps faster than Hartline too. I guess that makes him better.
I think this is how it shakes out with the exception of Gibson starting the year on the PUP list. I think Thigpen will get that spot, then when Gibson comes back he will be cut/IR/whatever.
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IF you gave Clyde Gates as many HEALTHY seasons to develop -- on roster and TC snaps -- as Hartline has had, you'd have more than what you currently have w. Hartline -- and Gates isn't as well rounded or developed as the guys I mentioned.
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I also like Binns because he's a bit taller and we've invested a fair bit of time in him and he was set to do well last year when he got injured. I also wouldn't write Damian Williams off too quickly. He had some outstanding college games at USC (that's why he was drafted pretty high) and can be a weapon in PR/KR duties. Tennessee eventually gave up on him after injuries but he can run polished routes and as I said earlier, he is smart and very high character (Joe will probably love him). If he is fully healthy and playing well in practice, consider him as a genuine threat to take Thigpen's position. If he's not 100% I'd add Binns and maybe consider Jarvis Landry for the PR/KR duties - you know that he will be very safe at catching the ball and he has no fear in being tackled.
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You've now lost all credibility.
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Losing credibility with the right people is gaining cred where it's worthwhile.
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I agree with much of this, Hoops. At running back Gillislee showed nothing last year. Thomas was very clearly a better back. I can see the team keeping Moreno, Miller and Thomas and maybe looking hard at the top running backs in next year's draft.
As to wide receiver and tight end, I see much more talent at wide receiver. I could see the team keeping both a wide receiver and tight end on the practice squad, but my gut (for now) tells me that Miami would have to keep Hazel on the roster or lose him. Could be wrong, but I think he makes this team. Binns, as you mentioned, has a better chance of making it to the practice squad. I can't see Egnew making the team this year, but it is encouraging for him that Lazor is using him in much the same way he was utilized at Missouri.
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Wallace
Hartline
Landry
Hazell
Binns
Last 2 spots up for grabs. Gibson may be put in IR till middle of the season.
Hartline
Landry
Hazell
Binns
Last 2 spots up for grabs. Gibson may be put in IR till middle of the season.
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have more upside because of what? speed? didn't help the raiders all those years they kept drafting fast WR's. Also, did you not watch Dobson? He couldn't catch a cold at the north pole with his pants off. I think Gibson and Mathews did a great job at threatening defenses last year.
LOL - It's a pity that Brady repeatedly crucified the kid, Josh Boyce at practice last season. There is a very big and pretty obvious reason why he saw little playing time (he made just 9 receptions for 121 yards for all of last season). He allegedly repeatedly got the routes wrong. Speed may be nice but methinks you underestimate the difficulty of appeasing Grumpy Tommy. Boyce needs to excel in Training Camp or face the prospect of being another WR "ochocincoed" in Foxboro.
In comparison, Hartline is a smart proven consistent veteran 1000+ yards a season professional who combines well with his QB.
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Wouldn't shock me at all if this season we keep 6 WR's
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How many years has Hartline had to develop -- and yet was basically not even average until the arrival of a QB that can throw to zero opening windows.
Give Boyce that many years and he won't be average. Promise you that.
Basically, if a team keeps choosing average because the player can be dependably average (like Hartline) instead of inconsistent w. upside, then you've made your own bed. Basically the Ireland years in a nutshell.
Hartline is the PERFECT Ireland skill player acquisition. Average enough to get by. Average enough to keep you from drafting a player w. upside in that position.
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Times a whole roster, basically. Hickey had tons of work to do on this team.
Won't be fixed in one off-season, sadly.
LD
Apparently speed=upside. Got it
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there is so much wrong with this....he's had 5 years to develop and maybe you forgot his qbs when he first came in....
hartline isn't average. do you understand what the word average means? just because someone isn't flashy doesn't immediately qualify them as average.....if he was "average" that would imply the average receiver in the nfl catches for 1000 yards every season.....in addition your bolded statement is just wrong. look at all the focus and accumulation of wrs we have had since hartline came on the roster.....these coaches aren't just sitting around like "yup, we're 100% done at WR, we got hartline remember?!?!" He has been getting better every year, has good hands, and is a solid pro. if you don't want him as a #2/3 option that is your own personal vendetta. but you're analysis of Hartline and his role on this team is just god awful..
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Oh my god I'm getting old. After a few days of listening to LDaniel7 he's actually beginning to make some sense. I don't agree with the way he presents his point by trashing Hartline, however look at it this way when both Hartline and Josh Boyce entered the league they were later picks that needed some development to make it in the NFL. If they had both been drafted in the same year a lot of people would have wanted Boyce over Hartline just because he was faster. You would be rolling the dice with either player but if they both became decent receivers some people prefer speed over good route running or hands. Look at Mike Wallace, he didn't earn his contract because he has hands like Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald, he did it because he could stretch the field.
Again I don't really agree with Ldaniel7 but I sort of understand where he's coming from.
A good example might be Miami's Jarvis Landry. Landry was the better route runner and had better hands at LSU, but his teammate Odell Beckhem was drafted higher because he was faster.
Again I don't really agree with Ldaniel7 but I sort of understand where he's coming from.
A good example might be Miami's Jarvis Landry. Landry was the better route runner and had better hands at LSU, but his teammate Odell Beckhem was drafted higher because he was faster.
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