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Yahoo says Harbaugh to Fins/Michigan because players are disgruntled
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I would give up draft picks to get John Harbaugh
JTC111
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Harbaugh took over a 49ers team that had gone 6-10 the year before. Ryan took over a Jets team that went 9-7 the year before.
Harbaugh's first year saw his team go 13-3, a 7 game improvement over the previous year. Ryan's first year saw the Jets go 9-7, the same record as the previous year.
Harbaugh took over a 49ers team that hadn't had a winning season since 2001. Ryan took over a Jets team that had gone 10-6 just three years before.
You call Harbaugh's teams "very good" ...they're very good BECAUSE Harbaugh is the coach.
Your narrative doesn't hold up against the facts.
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NO ****???? pretty nice to get a chance to talk to a guy like that about football.....
Incredible for a huge football fan.
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one thing I'd like to mention, our 9-7 in 2009 was much better than the 9-7 in 2008 when we had maybe our weakest sched ever and no Brady to deal with.
That 6-10 49er team was one game out of winning the division, that's how piss poor that division was....The yr before Rex became coach the Jets allowed 356 points on D the yr Rex became coach he shaved off over 120 points to lead the lead in points allowed with only 236, yes he achieved the same record but he made it to the playoffs something the previous yrs team couldn't do, in a much more difficult division, in his first job as HC ever, and once he made it to the playoffs he went on the road to win two games against teams that were better than his....he did all that with a rookie QB leading the offense, a QB who started all of one season his Junior yr and a hand full of games his soph yr before declaring for the draft....but his best job of coaching was last yr even though he only won 8 games.....Harbaugh is good but not in my top 5 of coaches right now, that may change over time.....I see him getting to much credit for that teams success.....
JTC111
Viva la resistance!!!
You're making my case for me now. SF finishing in 3rd place in a "piss poor division" makes their record even worse. Bottom line, they were not a good football team by any stretch.
You're making a very disingenuous argument. The same things for which you heap credit on Ryan are the things for which you criticize Harbaugh.
Harbaugh's first year he improved points scored by 75 and he reduced points allowed by 117 (only 3 points less than Ryan's number). SF's point differential went from -41 to +151. In his 2nd year, he won the NFC Championship game with a quarterback who only started 3 games the year before when he was a rookie. In Ryan's first year, while the defense improved, the offense scored 57 fewer points and you only saw a 63 point improvement in differential compared to a 192 point improvement by Harbaugh in his first year. Harbaugh improved both the defense AND offense of the 49ers he took over while Ryan only improved the Jets defense and let the offense sputter.
Ryan clearly took over a team that was more competitive than the team Harbaugh took over. If you can't see that, it's because you don't want to see it. Every measurable fact points to that conclusion and every argument against it made in this thread has been almost entirely based on opinions that fly in the face of those measurable facts. If you don't like Harbaugh the person, I get that. There are things about his personality that I don't care for, but the guy is one of the best coaches in the game today ...easily top 5. We'd be very lucky to get him even if it costs us a 1st. As I said in another thread, Shula cost us a 1st, and he was well worth it. If you compare Harbaugh's first 3 years as an NFL head coach to Shula's first 3, Harbaugh has done better. That doesn't guarantee anything in the future, but futures aren't guaranteed with any head coach, so you can only go by what a guy has already accomplished.
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Fair enough, I don't like him and I think he gets more credit than he deserves because the press loves them some crazy on the sidelines, just like they loved Cowher and Gruden who get more credit than they deserve....I will say this, if we do get him I will be one of his biggest supporters to prove me wrong.....
Answer this hypothetical for me.....If you have one game you must win which coach would you choose to coach your team, he has to be coaching now give me you're top three: Harbaugh doesn't make my top 5
1. Bilichick
2. Rex
3. Payton
JTC111
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I haven't really thought about that much. I've really only thought about who might actually be available and about who can turn this mediocre franchise into a consistent winner (and that's a different animal that picking a coach for just one big game). But just off the top of my head, if I could pick anyone, I'd take any of these 3 (you didn't give me five) in no particular order...
Belichick, Coughlin, Carroll
The parameters of your "one game you must win" scenario would seem to demand some prior demonstration on the part of a coach to win the big game.
Really? Belichick has shown time and time again that he can stop the best offenses in the game.....two of them in the SB (Buffalo and St Louis) one without Brady and the other before Brady became Brady.....
Exactly....I will say Harbaugh impressed me last week with that big over Philly he stopped that great offense in a must win game for them....That was a huge win for them
the Giants stopped Buffalo w/ their OFFENSE not their defense. Buf scored 17 pts on O in 19 mins TOP.
The Ram SB they blew the largest lead in the 4th qtr of any SB and were rescued by Brady and company just as his career was. They don't even make the playoffs that year if Brady isn't their QB.
Wow I guess we see those games differently.....not to take anything away from Brady but the Pats D held the greatest show on turf to 3 pts for the first 3 quarters in the biggest game of the yr the line was -14 rams...that 17-3 lead they had was due to 3 turnovers which the pats scored 17 pts the Defense allowed Brady to be Brady at the end of the game.....The Giants D went away from conventional wisdom of stopping the run to make him dink and dunk down the field....granted that Offense was essential in allowing the D employ that strategy but it was Belichick thinking outside the box that I admire, which is why his D game plan is in the HOF