You Guys are Flip Floppers

[J. David Wannyheimer]

And for all of you that keep saying situations change... I Know that but it shouldn't change your draft philosophy just because the person picking the players we terrible at his job. Again can anyone give me a current consistently good\great team that have needs at playmaking posisions that draft linemen other than OT in the first round? i'm not saying there aren't any.. Im just asking because i don't know of any. We need a RT but if a starting caliber RT is available and lets say a Jimmy Ghraham, Julio Jones type player is also available when we pick.... I'd much rather get the Jimmy G, Julio Jones type player and try to find the RT later because the odds of you finding a JG or JJ type player later in the draft are lower than finding a starting caliber RT. I don't care how bad ireland screwed up... I will always have this philosophy unless the evidence of the NFL starts to prove me wrong and thus far it hasn't.

I still prefer that the team takes skill players with its top picks. But the situation is bad enough that I won't be upset if the team takes cornfed. Just like I'm not upset that we pretty much overpaid Branden Albert. What else were we going to do?

 

[finomenal]

The past several years many on this board were deadset against siging an offensive lineman in the first round of the draft. Now (because of one dismal season of oline play) it seems that many people are all for drafting an offensive lineman in the first round. Well I havent changed my mind at all. If it ain't a LT then I DO NOT WANT AN OLINEMAN IN THE FIRST ROUND. I want guys that score TD's or Stop the other TD scorers from scoring TD's. It's not that i don't think oline is important because i do.. I just feel like a good GM should be able to find a starting caliber olineman in the 2-5 rounds. Im curious... how many of the perennial playoff teams use first round pics on interior offensive lineman when they have needs at other positions, like TE, WR, QB, CB, LB, DE etc... FYI... I'm ok with drafting a guy to initially play RT with plans to move him to LT in the near future but no guards or guys that can't play LT

Couldn't agree more. I say this all the time. Other teams with competent GMs find a way to field an offensive line without picking them in the first round all the time. Imo they should draft a skill player with the first pick. A player who is explosive; a threat to score anytime he touches the ball. They badly need a game changer at TE. Dustin Keller is not that. I love Charles Clay, but he's not that type of player consistently enough. Put him on the field at the same time with a stud TE and you've got something.

Too many drafts have gone by with the WR and TE position being neglected. Sure, those positions were drafted but not enough and the picks were not good enough to field an elite unit. Ireland tried but it wasn't good enough.

 

[finomenal]

 

[normaniii]

Im sure if you look at the two best teams in the NFL, Seattle & San Fran, they have invested high draft picks across the O'line. I agree with this. They besides the QB on Offense are the only ones who play every snap. IMO if you got a very good O'line it improves everything.

Gives your QB more time, WR more time to get free, Opens holes for running game, which in turn keeps the Defense honest. This in turn will imrpve the D by allowing the offense to control the game more, allowing the D more time on the sideline.

I would build my franchise through the QB, then the O'line thereafter.

 

[finomenal]

So, with your philosophy, we should have passed on Mike Pouncey? That lineman picked seems to have worked out.

I love Pouncey, but Julio Jones and A.J. Green were in that draft (#4 and #6 overall). Atlanta was in the 20s and traded all the way up to #6. Miami could have tried to trade up for either Julio or A.J. As great as Pouncey is, I would take any of them over Pouncey. The thing we don't know is if they did try. Maybe Ireland tried to trade up and couldn't so that's left open to speculation. What we do know though is Ireland had a track record for favoring the "cornfed" players. The one aggressive move he made in the draft for an offensive skill player was Daniel Thomas. Yeah, that Daniel Thomas.

 

[truedolfan57]

I thought i explained my point pretty well but for you I'll expain it agian.... IMHO the only offensvie lineman that's worth a first round pick is a LT due to the fact that he's facing the other teams best dlineman (for the most part) every other offensive line position can be filled in later rounds.

There are a ton of great DT's in the NFL. Afc east especially.

 

[roy_miami]

Around pick 15-20 is where the top tackle prospects should start coming off the board but the problem is several team will over-draft them so some skill players that should have went higher will fall and we're still left in the position that we probably should not take a cornfed in the first (unless everybody else wises up and the top one or two tackles falls to us). Corns should rarely be top 5 picks and they should absolutely never be the first overall pick. And its easy to prove this theory true by the fact that a cornfed has never been the best overall player from any draft in the history of the NFL (maybe one time you could argue a cornfed was the second best player).

 

[Paul54]

We must have the same taste. [indiana jones,miami dolphins] lol.

 

[Paul54]

Changing your opinion based on the circumstances is just human nature. It's also not necessarily contradictory.

For instance, I believe that placing emphasis on the offensive line and neglecting other positions is a bad idea. However, I also understand that our former GM left our new GM with a rather unique mess to clean up. I would love to see this team draft a seam busting tight end in the first round. I would love to see us draft one of the best WR prospects. I would love to see us grab a playmaking safety or linebacker. But... we got problems on that OL, and with the new CBA, addressing it through the draft allows salary cap space to be spent on playmakers elsewhere.

I would be OK with taking a right tackle or an elite guard prospect at 19.

We must have the same taste. [indiana jones,miami dolphins] lol.

 

[ricky williams]

i have always hated the term flip flopper. it suggest that someone is a bad person because they change their mind do to political pressure. but it bunches anyone who changes their mind into this category. so even if all logic dictates that you should change your mind to new circumstances, you are a flip flopper...

ps i have always been in the camp that preaches picking ol in the early rounds. as ol protects the qp, allows rb, wins time of posession, and keeps the d off the field.

 

[LANGER72]

I do not care who we take in round 1, all I ask is that he be a great player. The problem with this team is that we have wasted so many top picks over the years.
If a OT is the sure fire player, so be it.
That said. I would take mosely or ebron..

 

[JTech194]

Im sure if you look at the two best teams in the NFL, Seattle & San Fran, they have invested high draft picks across the O'line. I agree with this. They besides the QB on Offense are the only ones who play every snap. IMO if you got a very good O'line it improves everything.

Gives your QB more time, WR more time to get free, Opens holes for running game, which in turn keeps the Defense honest. This in turn will imrpve the D by allowing the offense to control the game more, allowing the D more time on the sideline.

I would build my franchise through the QB, then the O'line thereafter.

uhhhhhhhh a little bit of research before you make off the cuff comments would be prudent... this is Seattle's draft history http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=4600&type=team

Not one interior lineman C G in the first round. The only lineman they selected within the first two rounds are guys that could play LT. I can see and agree with drafting a T to initally play RT but could at some point due to injury or other circumstances play LT but thats as far as I'll go. I NEED PLAYMAKERS IN THE FIRST ROUND.

 

[dlockz]

The past several years many on this board were deadset against siging an offensive lineman in the first round of the draft. Now (because of one dismal season of oline play) it seems that many people are all for drafting an offensive lineman in the first round. Well I havent changed my mind at all. If it ain't a LT then I DO NOT WANT AN OLINEMAN IN THE FIRST ROUND. I want guys that score TD's or Stop the other TD scorers from scoring TD's. It's not that i don't think oline is important because i do.. I just feel like a good GM should be able to find a starting caliber olineman in the 2-5 rounds. Im curious... how many of the perennial playoff teams use first round pics on interior offensive lineman when they have needs at other positions, like TE, WR, QB, CB, LB, DE etc... FYI... I'm ok with drafting a guy to initially play RT with plans to move him to LT in the near future but no guards or guys that can't play LT

Plenty of winning teams have drafted interior linemen and right tackles fairly high.

 

[ojmcduffy]

we need 7 to 8 olinemen because not only do we have to fill the starting position we have to fill out depth. We can't sign 8 olinemen in fa it just won't happen.

 

[Phantom]

This is what happens when you have a gm in place, that couldn't build an oline in 6 years.