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03 Draft Busts.

flintsilver7 said:
Dewayne Robertson is by no means a bust.

Bryant Johnson played one season as a #2 with a horrible quarterback and one season as a #3 with a decent quarterback. He has put pretty good numbers on his team - he had 40 catches this season on a team with two 100-reception players.

Neither Ty Warren nor Jerome McDougle have done anything to warrant them being good picks. Similarly, Rex Grossman's 68.8 QB rating leads me to believe that he is a bust. Even Kyle Boller has better stats.
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ty warren has been a two year starter for the patriots. he's a steady player- not a star by any means, but he's solid. also, you make all of these excuses for bryant johnson then call rex grossman, someone who has 8 career starts and has missed most of two seasons w/ injuries a bust. why doesn't grossman get the same concessions?
 
The busts look like:

2. Charles Rogers - WR Lions
4. DeWayne Robertson - DT Jets
6. Jonathan Sullivan - DT Saints
12. Jimmy Kennedy - DT Rams
14. Micheal Haynes - DE Bears
15. Jerome McDougle - DE Eagles
17. Bryant Johnson - WR Cardinals
18. Calvin Pace - DE Cardinals
19. Kyle Boller - QB Ravens
25. William Joseph - DT Giants
28. Andre Wolfolk - CB Titans
 
jtsacksyou said:
good picks bold
bust underlined
best pick bold italicized
all IMO
some players i dont know... and some i feel are neither good nor bad picks and left them alone

1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB Southern California
2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State
3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami
4 N.Y. Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State
6 New Orleans Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
7 Jacksonville Byron Leftwich QB Marshall
8 Carolina Jordan Gross T Utah
9 Minnesota Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State
10 BaltimoreTerrell Suggs OLB Arizona State
11 Seattle Marcus Trufant CB Washington State
12 St. Louis Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State
13 New England Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
14 Chicago Michael Haynes DE Penn State
15 Philadelphia Jerome McDougle DE Miami
16 Pittsburgh Troy Polamalu SS Southern California
17 Arizona Bryant Johnson WR Penn State
18 Arizona Calvin Pace DE Wake Forest
19 Baltimore Kyle Boller QB California (on his way to busting)
20 Denver George Foster T Georgia
21 Cleveland Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
22 Chicago Rex Grossman QB Florida
23 Buffalo Willis McGahee RB Miami
24 Indianapolis Dallas Clark TE Iowa
25 N.Y. Giants William Joseph DT Miami
26 San Francisco Kwame Harris T Stanford
27 Kansas City Larry Johnson RB Penn State
28 Tennessee Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma
29 Green Bay Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State
30 San Diego Sammy Davis CB Texas A&M
31 Oakland Nnamdi Asomugha CB California
32 Oakland Tyler Brayton DE Colorado
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Wasnt Mcdougle a bust in Philly?
 
Retnuhrace said:
The busts look like:

2. Charles Rogers - WR Lions
4. DeWayne Robertson - DT Jets
6. Jonathan Sullivan - DT Saints
12. Jimmy Kennedy - DT Rams
14. Micheal Haynes - DE Bears
15. Jerome McDougle - DE Eagles
17. Bryant Johnson - WR Cardinals
18. Calvin Pace - DE Cardinals
19. Kyle Boller - QB Ravens
25. William Joseph - DT Giants
28. Andre Wolfolk - CB Titans
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I wish we had "bust" DWayne Robertson.
 
flintsilver7 said:
Dewayne Robertson is by no means a bust.

Bryant Johnson played one season as a #2 with a horrible quarterback and one season as a #3 with a decent quarterback. He has put pretty good numbers on his team - he had 40 catches this season on a team with two 100-reception players.

Neither Ty Warren nor Jerome McDougle have done anything to warrant them being good picks. Similarly, Rex Grossman's 68.8 QB rating leads me to believe that he is a bust. Even Kyle Boller has better stats.

I'd take Larry Johnson as the best pick by far in that draft (aside from Palmer, of course) and consider removing Clark. Bryan Fletcher did pretty well with Manning throwing to him, and who the hell is Bryan Fletcher?
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Ty Warren is a pretty good DT.LJ looks good(and is good) cuz of the chiefs oline is amazing but no way the best pick.
 
jtsacksyou said:
good picks bold
bust underlined
best pick bold italicized
all IMO
some players i dont know... and some i feel are neither good nor bad picks and left them alone

1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB Southern California
2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State
3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami
4 N.Y. Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State
6 New Orleans Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
7 Jacksonville Byron Leftwich QB Marshall
8 Carolina Jordan Gross T Utah
9 Minnesota Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State
10 BaltimoreTerrell Suggs OLB Arizona State
11 Seattle Marcus Trufant CB Washington State
12 St. Louis Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State
13 New England Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
14 Chicago Michael Haynes DE Penn State
15 Philadelphia Jerome McDougle DE Miami
16 Pittsburgh Troy Polamalu SS Southern California
17 Arizona Bryant Johnson WR Penn State
18 Arizona Calvin Pace DE Wake Forest
19 Baltimore Kyle Boller QB California (on his way to busting)
20 Denver George Foster T Georgia
21 Cleveland Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
22 Chicago Rex Grossman QB Florida
23 Buffalo Willis McGahee RB Miami
24 Indianapolis Dallas Clark TE Iowa
25 N.Y. Giants William Joseph DT Miami
26 San Francisco Kwame Harris T Stanford
27 Kansas City Larry Johnson RB Penn State
28 Tennessee Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma
29 Green Bay Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State
30 San Diego Sammy Davis CB Texas A&M
31 Oakland Nnamdi Asomugha CB California
32 Oakland Tyler Brayton DE Colorado
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Boller on his way to busting? He busted already :wink:
 
Jaj said:
Even with the lack of picks the average draftnick fan could have had a better draft than that moron. I remember him saying we didn't get the brand name or flashy players, but just real quality guys or some crap like that. Dumbest thing I've ever heard...
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Freakin dumbstedt :sidelol: he screwed us over good.Miss ya wannyball :lol:
 
if you feel the 2003 draft is to early lets take a look at the 2002 draft.

1 Houston David Carr QB Fresno State
2 Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina Amazing pick
3 Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon
4 Buffalo Mike Williams T Texas
5 San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas
6 Kansas City Ryan Sims DT North Carolina
7 Minnesota Bryant McKinnie T Miami
8 Dallas Roy Williams FS Oklahoma Very good pick
9 Jacksonville John Henderson DT Tennessee Great pick
10 Cincinnati Levi Jones T Arizona State
11 Indianapolis Dwight Freeney DE Syracuse Great pick
12 Arizona Wendell Bryant DT Wisconsin
13 New Orleans Donte' Stallworth WR Tennessee
14 N.Y. Giants Jeremy Shockey TE Miami
15 Tennessee Albert Haynesworth DT Tennessee
16 Cleveland William Green RB Boston College
17 Oakland Phillip Buchanon CB Miami
18 Atlanta T.J. Duckett RB Michigan State
19 Denver Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii
20 Green Bay Javon Walker WR Florida State
21 New England Daniel Graham TE Colorado
22 N.Y. Jets Bryan Thomas DE Ala.-Birmingham
23 Oakland Napoleon Harris ILB Northwestern
24 Baltimore Ed Reed SS Miami Unbelievable pick, best value in the first round.
25 New Orleans Charles Grant DE Georgia
26 Philadelphia Lito Sheppard CB Florida
27 San Francisco Mike Rumph CB Miami
28 Seattle Jerramy Stevens TE Washington
29 Chicago Marc Colombo T Boston College
30 Pittsburgh Kendall Simmons G Auburn
31 St. Louis Robert Thomas MLB UCLA
32 Washington Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane
 
Some other value picks from the 2002 draft. how about David Givens in the 7th, what a great pick. Damn Pats

44 New Orleans LeCharles Bentley C Ohio State
51 Denver Clinton Portis RB Miami
58 Philadelphia Michael Lewis SS Colorado
62 Pittsburgh Antwaan Randle El WR Indiana
73 Carolina Will Witherspoon OLB Georgia
91 Philadelphia Brian Westbrook RB Villanova
114 Miami Randy McMichael TE Georgia
156 Green Bay Aaron Kampman DE Iowa
253 New England David Givens WR Notre Dame
 
Phishstix said:
ty warren has been a two year starter for the patriots. he's a steady player- not a star by any means, but he's solid. also, you make all of these excuses for bryant johnson then call rex grossman, someone who has 8 career starts and has missed most of two seasons w/ injuries a bust. why doesn't grossman get the same concessions?
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Ty Warren has been a starter, but not a star. He's an average player. For a 3-4 DE, he gets very few sacks. He's pretty good against the run, but he pales so much in comparison to Seymour. He's not a bust, but I wouldn't say he's a good pick either. Six sacks in three years is pedestrian at best.

Grossman is bad. I don't know what people see in him. He's got about half a season's worth of play - maybe a little less - with 4 TDs and 6 INTs. He's not accurate. His rating is 68.8. He's done nothing to warrant him being anything other than a first-round QB bust. If you're cutting him slack for being injured, then you had better consider Charles Rogers a "jury out" guy. He's done much better than Grossman (relatively) when he's been healthy.

I can't blame Bryant Johnson for what his quarterbacks do. When he's thrown the ball, he usually catches it. Johnson wasn't touted as a gamebreaker type of receiver. He is what he was in college. He's doing exactly what should've been expected of him. Boldin turned out to be a freak, and Larry Fitzgerald was more or less a can't-miss pick. Only this year did he have any kind of quarterback consistency - and even then that's not saying much. He's not going to excel in Arizona because there's about a 50% chance that a thrown ball is headed towards Boldin or Fitzgerald. The Cardinals had 669 pass attempts, with 336 headed towards Boldin and Fitzgerald.
 
Canadi-Phin said:
if you feel the 2003 draft is to early lets take a look at the 2002 draft.

1 Houston David Carr QB Fresno State
2 Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina Amazing pick
3 Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon
4 Buffalo Mike Williams T Texas
5 San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas
6 Kansas City Ryan Sims DT North Carolina
7 Minnesota Bryant McKinnie T Miami
8 Dallas Roy Williams FS Oklahoma Very good pick
9 Jacksonville John Henderson DT Tennessee Great pick
10 Cincinnati Levi Jones T Arizona State
11 Indianapolis Dwight Freeney DE Syracuse Great pick
12 Arizona Wendell Bryant DT Wisconsin
13 New Orleans Donte' Stallworth WR Tennessee
14 N.Y. Giants Jeremy Shockey TE Miami
15 Tennessee Albert Haynesworth DT Tennessee
16 Cleveland William Green RB Boston College
17 Oakland Phillip Buchanon CB Miami
18 Atlanta T.J. Duckett RB Michigan State
19 Denver Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii
20 Green Bay Javon Walker WR Florida State
21 New England Daniel Graham TE Colorado
22 N.Y. Jets Bryan Thomas DE Ala.-Birmingham
23 Oakland Napoleon Harris ILB Northwestern
24 Baltimore Ed Reed SS Miami Unbelievable pick, best value in the first round.
25 New Orleans Charles Grant DE Georgia
26 Philadelphia Lito Sheppard CB Florida
27 San Francisco Mike Rumph CB Miami
28 Seattle Jerramy Stevens TE Washington
29 Chicago Marc Colombo T Boston College
30 Pittsburgh Kendall Simmons G Auburn
31 St. Louis Robert Thomas MLB UCLA
32 Washington Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane
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You're forgetting a few people, like Bryant McKinnie, Levi Jones, Albert Haynesworth, T.J. Duckett, Charles Grant, Lito Sheppard, Kendall Simmons, and most notably Javon Walker.
 
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