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Boomer, Ck: Tell us your take on the Fins picks

ohall said:
Anyone have $5?

:)

Sorry I couldn't resist!

Yawn.

Hey, doing this year in and year out for free, we're actually trying to do something proper and professional for next year. Ask any of the 30 or so people that paid $5 if they didn't get their monies worth.

But way to go supporting someone who you KNOW has been working his asss off on this stuff for an age.
 
Marino Forever said:
Nabocane, didn't Cromartie miss all of 2005 with a knee injury? Doesn't that go against your injury argument?

Just my two cents: Allen's condition has the possibility of being degenerative; Cromartie's does not. I'm not saying we should have grabbed Cromartie, I'm just explaining the difference.
 
Nappy Roots said:
:lol: ok...when did i say any different?

Ok, maybe I misunderstood you Nappy, if I did I'm sorry.

When you said he didn't have breakaway speed and referred to him as a possession receiver I took it the way I did.

I just don't think he'll be limited to the role of possession receiver.
 
DrAstroZoom said:
Just my two cents: Allen's condition has the possibility of being degenerative; Cromartie's does not. I'm not saying we should have grabbed Cromartie, I'm just explaining the difference.

NaboCane said:
And yet another is injury history; a player with a history of more than one injury that is outside the unfortunately normal knee injuries and breaks, bumps and bruises in college doesn't translate well into a world in which all the players are the size, speed and power of the very best you faced in college.

What you said, Doc.

I specified the highlighted sentence in my post, because Cromartie's injury is one common to football, unfortunately, it's considered part of the game, no one is surprised when you say "ACL" anymore. So I'm confident he can come back from that, considering that he ran a 4.4/40 at the combine - while still recovering.

Allen's injury is to a part of the body that isn't common to football injuries; it's also a part that is more prone to having problems getting enough blood after an injury of any type to it. When the problem is bad enough, the joint itself can become necrotic because it is starved for blood...and if that happens, it's joint replacement and goodbye football. No doctor would ever sign off on someone playing pro football with an artificial hip.

That's not to say that Allen's condition is that bad, or even close; it's to say that everyone comes back from ACL reconstruction, but hip problems are trickier...and if he does have a degenerative condition there, it will limit his career, and therefore his value to the team.

And that's part of my point: that in a draft in which you only have 3 picks in the first 6 rounds, it's ill-conceived to pick a player with such question marks, when other players who fit your description of what you want are available at the same spot.

My point isn't that Allen is bad, or that he will necessarily have hip problems; my point is that if the question exists, and he's a player who's undersized for the position to begin with, (and he is) and other payers are available that fit your need - then you draft one of the other players.

You don't gamble with a limited asset like a draft pick in a talent-rich draft like this one, where you have so few picks to begin with - that's like walking into a casino with your rent money. There are risks you just don't take when you can't afford to lose.
 
Boomer said:
Yawn.

Hey, doing this year in and year out for free, we're actually trying to do something proper and professional for next year. Ask any of the 30 or so people that paid $5 if they didn't get their monies worth.

But way to go supporting someone who you KNOW has been working his asss off on this stuff for an age.

you guys suck.











:sidelol: No, man - it was definitely worth it. You guys rock, and I'm grateful to have you here.
 
NaboCane said:
What you said, Doc.

I specified the highlighted sentence in my post, because Cromartie's injury is one common to football, unfortunately, it's considered part of the game, no one is surprised when you say "ACL" anymore. So I'm confident he can come back from that, considering that he ran a 4.4/40 at the combine - while still recovering.

Allen's injury is to a part of the body that isn't common to football injuries; it's also a part that is more prone to having problems getting enough blood after an injury of any type to it. When the problem is bad enough, the joint itself can become necrotic because it is starved for blood...and if that happens, it's joint replacement and goodbye football. No doctor would ever sign off on someone playing pro football with an artificial hip.

That's not to say that Allen's condition is that bad, or even close; it's to say that everyone comes back from ACL reconstruction, but hip problems are trickier...and if he does have a degenerative condition there, it will limit his career, and therefore his value to the team.

And that's part of my point: that in a draft in which you only have 3 picks in the first 6 rounds, it's ill-conceived to pick a player with such question marks, when other players who fit your description of what you want are available at the same spot.

My point isn't that Allen is bad, or that he will necessarily have hip problems; my point is that if the question exists, and he's a player who's undersized for the position to begin with, (and he is) and other payers are available that fit your need - then you draft one of the other players.

You don't gamble with a limited asset like a draft pick in a talent-rich draft like this one, where you have so few picks to begin with - that's like walking into a casino with your rent money. There are risks you just don't take when you can't afford to lose.


Didn't Saban say his medical staff did the necessary research into this and found that his hip injury was a non-issue?
Is there any reason to cast doubt on their findings? Because I'm sure that Saban put a lot of weight into their conclusions when he decided on whether to target Allen in the first place.
 
NaboCane said:
My point isn't that Allen is bad, or that he will necessarily have hip problems; my point is that if the question exists, and he's a player who's undersized for the position to begin with, (and he is) and other payers are available that fit your need - then you draft one of the other players.

:shakeno:
NaboCane, you're FLAT WRONG about Jason Allen being too small.
Let me illustrate how FLAT WRONG you are, before this misinformation goes unanswered too long:

Jason Allen 6'1", 208 lbs. (6'0 3/4" if you want to be picky)

Michael Huff 6'0" , 203 lbs.
Donte Whitner 5'10", 203 lbs.
Troy Polamalu 5'10", 212 lbs.
Ed Reed 5'11", 200 lbs.

I hear nobody saying these guys are "undersized", and Jason Allen's BIGGER than all of them.

:0wned:

You are simply wrong about Jason Allen being "undersized".
Stop spreading the misinformation...
So, he fits Saban's prototypical size better than you thought (wrongly).
 
nabocane are you seriously not happy with the pick only because he is 6'1. i believe that 5 out of 7 safieties in the probowl were under 6'0. saban is not judging players based only on measuring tape. his injury is in no way worse then cromartie's and carpenter's. the problem i have with the pick is his tackling and the fact we still dont have a true ss
 
Boomer said:
Yawn.

Hey, doing this year in and year out for free, we're actually trying to do something proper and professional for next year. Ask any of the 30 or so people that paid $5 if they didn't get their monies worth.

But way to go supporting someone who you KNOW has been working his asss off on this stuff for an age.

Yikes.

We've known each other for what 8-years now?

I'm sorry you took my joke that way.
 
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