The Dolphins are good so no need to tear it down and rebuild. I am hopeful that Ross is smart enough to realize that Tua had a shot, proved to be not good enough, and that a new QB could be the last piece of the puzzle that brings his Dolphins a Super Bowl Championship.
thank you. i am not as certain as you that the decision on tua will be based on whether or not they think he is the guy to win a SB for them. it may just be at this point it is the easiest and least painful thing to do. i do not know this. i do not know what ross is being told by grier and mcdaniel. they may be telling him tua is the guy that gets them to the promised land and the team will be very good even with tua commanding a $50mm cap hit. they may be telling ross that they can extend him, shove money around for another year, and have a good shot, but then after that, with tua commanding a big piece of the cap, they will probably be mediocre. i have no idea. both things are plausible. or something in between. this one is going to be ross's decision at the end of the day, and i hope he gets it right!
...guy was primarily rich as an art dealer if I remember right and he was always looking to knee cap the payroll...he wasnt a billionaire real estate corporate guy like Ross. These 2 guys were both rich but it stops there as they had two different mind sets on how to build a business. In the end though the goal is the same, profitability and long term growth of the asset(s). SBs, World Series and all that is a sidebar....or a feather in the cap....icing on the proverbial cake
you know i am not so sure. that was part of my OP. i do believe he really wanted to win a SB, and tried really hard, but was just incompetent, and also had a little bad luck. now, i am worried, at his age, what you describe might be more true OR maybe better said he might be fatigued, and cant stomach starting over again with a new QB or GM. i am still perplexed at the rush to hand tua 5 and $250mm when they could just let him play out his 5th year option, then they can decide after that. look i could be completely wrong. they might fully believe tua is the guy and believe they get him cheaper by locking it down now. but i am worried ross just doesnt want to start over and he thinks the least painful thing to do is to lock tua up now, even if he doesnt believe he is a sb QBI don't think he really deep down gives a **** if we ever win a SB. What he wants is this franchise to continue to make him money and grow in value. If that happens without a SB so be it. He's a business man through and through. He invests in his franchise and its real estate holdings (stadium and its surroundings) like he would any other business and looks at the profit/loss like any business owner would.
Jeff and the Marlins....thats another ballgame
or let me ask the question a different way. if steve ross was told by grier and mcdaniel that they are unlikely to win a SB with Tua, but they will still be pretty good and have an entertaining team, and if they walk from tua they might go 6-11 again or something like that, do you think ross would give tua the 5 and 250mm? i think at this point ross might. the fact that they seem ready to hand him the deal as opposed to waiting a year and letting him play out the option also makes me think this is part of the thinking. but i dont know, and the retort could certainly be they want to lock him up now because they really do believe in tua as a SB QB, and this is the cheapest way to get him
Ross definitely want to win a SB BUT I do agree that it’s not his priority. I believe he has given up home field advantage by having home games overseas to be awarded with hosting SBs. That shows where he standsI don't think he really deep down gives a **** if we ever win a SB. What he wants is this franchise to continue to make him money and grow in value. If that happens without a SB so be it. He's a business man through and through. He invests in his franchise and its real estate holdings (stadium and its surroundings) like he would any other business and looks at the profit/loss like any business owner would.
Jeff and the Marlins....thats another ballgame
Hopefully they are telling Mr. Ross that 5th year option is good for 2024, and if 2024 season is a good one (and he still wants Tua as QB) the franchise tag is available.
First, I don't think Grier would dare say such a thing to Ross. If he did, Ross should fire him on the spot - I gave you 5 years to do a rebuild and you're saying the QB you drafted and I fired a coach for is UNLIKELY to win me a SB AND you want me to pay him $250M to just field an entertaining team, but will fold in the playoffs every year?
so i agree with all of these things, but then we keep hearing more and more they are ready to hand tua the 5 and 250mm now. so why would they do this now when they dont have to? i really wonder if ross just wants to get it over with because he is old and tired and just doesnt want to risk the same process all over again
Appreciate the post. I do disagree though. If he was only focused on profit, he wouldn't pay for all the amenities that the players have touted for the past 2 years as one of the primo owners in the league. I'm not talking about the practice facility or stadium improvements because you can say those are investments that will make the Dolphins fetch a higher price on the sales market. I'm talking about the free 3 meals a day, large training staff, etc.I don't think he really deep down gives a **** if we ever win a SB. What he wants is this franchise to continue to make him money and grow in value. If that happens without a SB so be it. He's a business man through and through. He invests in his franchise and its real estate holdings (stadium and its surroundings) like he would any other business and looks at the profit/loss like any business owner would.
Jeff and the Marlins....thats another ballgame
this i think is a good point. and i am worried about it. grier is probably somewhat incentivized to blow some smoke up ross's tush. on the other hand, mcdaniel is not, because he is not the one that drafted tua. hopefully ross has a private conversation with mcdaniel, without grier in the room. having said all of that, i have no freaking idea exactly what mcdaniel thinks either. i would think that despite what mcdaniel publicly says, given the way last year ended, mcdaniel has to be aware of tuas limitations. but it is possible mcdaniel does actually beleive tua is the guy, and the end of last year was an aberration. net/net i have such a hard time understanding the rush to hand tua the 5 and 250 now, and i keep going back to ross and his age. maybe it is a me thing, and those guys all really do believe that strongly in the kid. i dunno, i just know i dont get it
this i think is a good point. and i am worried about it. grier is probably somewhat incentivized to blow some smoke up ross's tush. on the other hand, mcdaniel is not, because he is not the one that drafted tua. hopefully ross has a private conversation with mcdaniel, without grier in the room. having said all of that, i have no freaking idea exactly what mcdaniel thinks either. i would think that despite what mcdaniel publicly says, given the way last year ended, mcdaniel has to be aware of tuas limitations. but it is possible mcdaniel does actually beleive tua is the guy, and the end of last year was an aberration. net/net i have such a hard time understanding the rush to hand tua the 5 and 250 now, and i keep going back to ross and his age. maybe it is a me thing, and those guys all really do believe that strongly in the kid. i dunno, i just dont get it
I am not a Tua is God guy by any means. He definitely has his physical limitations and at times, questionable decision-making, but he does fit the offense well, has shown he can put up numbers of as one of the best in the league, and the offense was damn lights out last year WHEN HEALTHY.
i share your concern re grier making this all work!
