Dolphins Dilemma At DE

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  1. So Be

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    This is a problem all teams would love to have but, is also a problem to sort out snaps and get all the players on the field.

    Wake is an All Pro, and his returning to health will be a big plus to our D. Vernon took a big step frfard last year, and I expect another this year. So, we are set.

    Not so fast. Jordan flashed, and may have more talent than both. Playing him 20 snaps a game last year was questionable at best. This year, the #3pick MUST play but where, and who does he replace? We appear to be set on him being a DE, which I do not agree with, but, he still has to be on the field. Does a 3 man rotation work? Not sure.

    And don't forget about Shelby, who has really impressed me in limited play. What to do?
     
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    I am confused here. We cannot trade Jordan, and I love Wake and OV as players. Will a 3 man rotation, like DT, work out?
     
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    we play more 3-3-5
    We kick Vernon inside next to Odrick on passing downs
    We have fresh rushers in the 4th quarter thats a good thing
     
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    Agree! that's a nice thing to have in the 4th qt.
     
  5. So Be

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    I don't agree but, if we did the same as last year, Jordan got 20 snaps a game with Wake being injured. Who gives up playing time to get him on the field or do we keep him as a part time situational pass rusher?
     
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    Never heard of having to much talent being a bad thing....


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    One thing it is not, is a problem..
     
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    Wake will start. Vernon and Jordan will compete in camp. Vernon won the starting job last year over the others with an impressive training camp. I wouldn't be surprised if Jordan wins the job but Vernon will still have a role and vice versa id Vernon wins the job. Shelby will be used to spell wake.

    If teams start to string long drives together we can always have a fresh pass rusher to spell in to help bring up a stop. Can never have too many pass rushers.
     
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    Vernon will shift inside a great deal....he was very effective their as a pass rusher there. I think a rotation will be fine though anyways. With the way the league is you are in nickel as much as they are base. Jordan is going to need more snaps than last year thats for sure...
     
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    In obvious passing downs when ahead or late in the game play him at DT...he's 6'6" with long arms, even if he can't beat a guard he can leap right? JJ Watt is fantastic at it. Or he could feint a rush and fall back to a zone with his athleticism. It was a crime he didn't get more playing time when Wake was not playing. I honestly think it was part of the power struggle between Ireland and Philbin. Philbin wanted Albert, nope. Philbin wanted a high pick tackle...nope. Ireland decided to trade up and draft a guy that was playing the same position as your best defensive player. Not saying its right, but I do believe that played a part in it. Plus Philbin tends to play veterans more than rooks anyway. I do expect a jump from Jordan this year.
     
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    Wake and Jordan should start (if hes ready) and rotate OV and Shelby with them. Vernon is getting paid much less than Jordan and Jordan cost us 2 picks, so he HAS to be starting unless Vernon is that much better than Jordan. Id rather get Jordan more playing time becuase he has more potential than OV.
     
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    Now we have too much talent?!

    I wonder what the 1972 Finheaven posts would have looked like? ;)
     
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    Shelby has improved??

    I think we are good to go at pass rushing DEs .... and don't need to do much about having '3', except getting Jordan on the field more often - especially as a hybrid. Next year is when there may need to be some decision about the roster, based on Wake's health - he's been kind of knicked up the last 2 seasons ... which would lead one to believe it will happen again this year. It will work itself out ....

    Having an All Pro, a very good and a potential All Pro is a very good problem to have.
     
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    I would use Jordan at 4-3 OLB occasionally like Von miller. If he rotates at DE and plays OLB occasionally he should see the field more. Also using Wake, Vernon, and Jordan on 3rd down would be awesome.
     
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    ya know, i keep seeing this kind of thing and its getting more press than it deserves. in fact, ther should be NONE!!

    so, this power struggle: the contract was easy. jeff ireland ran the draft and picked the players. joe philbin ran the practices and games and decided who plays and who starts.

    the big power struggle was with ireland and aponte. and IF philbin was "with aponte" Iin any way, it was only in the fact that philbin was tired of getting wasted drafts and f/a's. and i am sure ireland probably butted his head in where he wasnt supposed to. his guys were not panning out, he blamed philbin because ireland new his time was short and his decisions have been under mass scrutiny for the last several years, especially the last two.

    but all this "philbin didnt like ireland so he wouldnt play "his" players!! NONSENSE!! philbin is a new h/c. he has to build a reputation. you do that by winning! he isnt jeopardizing his career by sabotaging wins sitting quality players.

    DION AT THIS MOMENT ISNT A QUALITY PLAYER!! he struggled in every phase accept getting off the line quick which didnt turn into sacks and he wasnt good at stopping the run. he had a a red flag on him coming out of college as not being the pass rusher/sack artists some had him pegged. and its showing up big time in the nfl, especially since he only has ONE pass rush move!! the guy should be an olb in a 3/4. i think 99% of the fans and media know that. but, that was ireland!!

    sure they shut him down! he was injured and was getting owned and the coaches decided to not wreck his confidence and doubting himself. this was the RIGHT move.

    but so many think that philbin was taking this awsome, unstopable talent and keeping him on the bench to get back at ireland somehow. THIS ONLY HURTS PHILBIN AND HIS STAFF!! he wouldnt, and didnt do that.

    so i hope people will stop and think about this and DROP IT!!!! philbin wants to win and you have to have your BEST TALENT on the field to do it. there is NO conspiracy, not with dion or any other player on the finz roster.
     
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    The other assumption made about Philbin is he doesn't like to play rookies. I feel it is to early to come to this conclusion based on the fact that he has only been a head coach for 2 years and in year 1 he started a rookie qb and a rookie tackle. As for last season all the rookies he had to work with were not capable of being a starter. Either the rookies were hurt or just not good enough to beat out their competition. Look at our draft last season the first 4 picks were all coming off injuries. The rookies were not 100% physically and it showed. IF Ireland were smart he would have drafted players that could help the team win starting last season not pick a bunch of injury riddled players who couldn't possibly help the team succeed for at least a couple of seasons.
     
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    no evidence he doesn't like to play rookies they didn't move up in draft to not play their 3rd pick he just didn't impress enough to start , not sure why people don't get that. The same as the rest of our rookies last year.
     
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    It's simple. Move Dion Jordan to OLB where he belongs. 3/4 defense is obviously where he ideally should be playing, but get creative and blitz him from OLB and have him on the line with his hand down as well- joker position. His strengths are pass rushing and his ability to move in space and cover. His weakness is getting his lanky, high center of gravity frame tied up with big OT's and getting engulfed or ridden out wide. His best position is OLB, even if it's in a creative 4/3 as opposed to the tailor made 3/4. He's meant to be a Linebacker, bottom line.
     
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    Run more 34 and I'd be happy. I realize Vernon wouldn't be the best DE in one, but for pass rushing, why not?
    Although I suppose it's a similar predicament
     
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    Teach one of them to play oline? :lol:
     
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    should have drafted LT Matthews with that #3 pick, then spent that Albert money this year on Jarius Byrd instead of Delmas.
     
  22. twix2500

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    Whats wrong with a three man rotation at DE. I always thought that was the plan??
     
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    No dilemma yet until Jordan prove he can be an NFl starter.
     
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    Does have to start. All I care about is all three of them terrorizing the QB.
     
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    Lol why would too many pass rushers be a bad thing? The giants always have pass rushers...they had straham, OSI and tuck...then had tuck, OSI and Pierre Paul...I don't see how having too many pass ruahers is a problem.
     
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    I'd like to see Jordan play the weakside lb or a "jack" like position.
     
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    What im saying for it to be a dilemma jordan has to play at the others level. Right now he is just an overrated draft pick that satbehind derrick shelby in the rotation
     
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    He was a rookie dlock behind very good defensive ends. How many rookies start ahead of players who are very good. I can understand if our DE sucked. Potential alone was not going to beat out Wake and Vernon. Jordan has to be Jason Taylor good to beat out Vernon and Wake. Be happy for the quality we have at DE as a unit. Sometime we get spoiled.
     
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    I didn't mention the two very good defensive ends I mentioned that Derrick Shelby got the start and playing time over him, that's not a good sign however u want to look at it.
    How many third picks in the draft would play behind Derrick Shelby is more the point.
     
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    Was not Shelby playing very well?
     
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    What about Jared Allen? I know his best days are behind him but he is someone who would immediately upgrade the position. Just throwing that out there.
     
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    How so? Hiss season was no better than odricks and wake is better than him at this point in his career.
     
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    Shelby spelled Wake on running downs. Jordan also plays the other DE position.
     
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    If Shelby is beating him out for playing time and the start then you did not deserve to be taken third overall.
    Jordan played a lot the game Wake got hurt and his play versus run was pretty damn brutal. The following week Shelby started over Jordan in Wake's place.
    Hell Jordan was the third choice to start that game because they were going to start Odrick but went with Shelby.
     

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