Fight Fire With Fire

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  1. 2413fanphins

    2413fanphins A True Fan

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    It seems to me that our new england friends must be starting to shake a bit when they think about our defense heading into next year.
    Our D line should be solid with taylor, hopefully rod wright, and matt roth.
    If not wright, than perhaps alan branch.

    Our linebackers obviously are going to be scary with porter, thomas and crowder. maybe poz if we draft him.

    Our only question mark is going to be the secondary. We really need to think of drafting landry and moving jason allen to CB.

    The pats are certainly loading up on offense at least as far as receivers go.
    We are going to have to be able to contain stallworth as he is the deep threat.

    I was just seeing that they signed washington as well. They are giving into brady and getting him some weapons to throw too. I wonder if chad jackson will improve or if he was a wasted pick.

    I think we should fight fire with fire. We need to target landry, by doing so our defense will be among the top five in every category.

    We are going to have to be able to at least limit the amount of points the patsies put up, and I think our D will be able to do that.

    It's our offense that is going to be crucial to winning the division. We are gonna have to be better than the 16.3 pts a game or whatever last year.

    I wouldn't mind landry in the first, but don't you think it would be wise to load up offensively in the rest of the draft?
     
  2. Mari0k

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    The problem is..now they got recievers..and our secondary is shaky...so..unless we find a way to get 2 bray EVERY SINGLE TIME (which, cmon..wont happen) we are screwed.
    but again...as we saw in our last victory against pats...even late hits can shake brady up..))
     
  3. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips Ready for Henne.

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    Yeah...the patriots are just gonna look at our offense and just start laughing.
     
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    The defense more than likely won't be doing much scoring so our offense
    has to improve ALOT! So far, all we've done is get rid of some pretty
    good players and not gotten anything in return for them. Hopefully,
    Mueller will be smart enough to draft some good offensive players
    whether it be on O-line, quarterback, or wide reciever and
    forget about the defense for the most part.
     
  5. daniel3

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    How about we fight fire with water and not worry about the Pats? Landry would be cool though, but people might want to hold down the expectations in his first year as a pro. I'm more partial to an OL like Levi Brown though. Just hoping he wont be a bust :/.
     
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    Just a note on Chad Jackson. Jackson tore his ACL in the AFCC game vs indy and had surgery to repair it in january. Right now it looks as though he'll miss traing camp again so he most likely won't be ready for opening day. I suspect with all the WR we have that he'll start the season on PUP at the very least and could even wind up on the injuried/out list for the year.
     
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    Not to mention Troy Brown is going to retire and probably moreso now that all these guys are in town.

    BTW. It does not bother me that the Pats are taking major risks on players and paying big bucks for it. That will only backfire on them long term.
     
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    Joey Harrington and the laughingstocks 21- Patriots 0.
     
  9. Djavelin

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    Go Landry.

    Move Allen to CB
     
  10. Rubbin420

    Rubbin420 Marino for President

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    I agree that our secondary may have some issues with NE. I would like to say that the have to have time to throw the ball. It looks like Miami will not hand time over easily. The front seven will take pressure off the secondary. Additionally the secondarys best friend is knowing that they have to throw. Our secondary as is performed well against Indy. With another year under the belt I think we will be fine. Our early pics are better spent on offense if possible.
     
  11. darsey

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    I do not care about the Patriots. They are not thinking about us. They signed a bunch of free agents. think about it this way. If for some reason, Chambers or Booker were free agents, do you really think the Patriots would have targeted Stallworth and Welker? These "big" free agent signings (receivers) are all hype. They had NO recievers last year. The reason the patriots are good are because of Brady and Belicheck....everything else is just an after thought. Personaly, I think the signing of a 5'11 third receiver from a team that was last in the conference was laughable
     
  12. The Myth

    The Myth Three Super Bowl Victories so far!

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    The Patriots have added
    Kelly Washington 6'3" 218 lbs
    Donte' Stallworth 6' 196 lbs
    Wes Welker 5'9" 185 lbs
    as WRs to go with
    Jabar Gaffney 6'1" 205 lbs
    Rache Caldwell 6' 210 lbs
    This along with Sammy Morris, and Adalius Thomas.
    They have two 1st round draft picks and it sounded like they where going after Edgerton Hartwell.
    I don't think they are running scared. It looks like they are very serious about winning another SB.
     
  13. datruth55

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    How do you get rid of pretty good players from a team that went 6-10? 19-29 if you want to count the last three years.

    Stallworth gets one more substance abuse violation and he's suspended for 4 games. We all know what that's like. Kelley Washington couldn't make it out of the 5th receiver spot in Cincy. He's got good speed but unreliable hands. On paper they look great but in real life it's a different story. This isn't the customary way the Patriots do things so lets see if it blows up in their face.
     
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    You're right about not getting to him every time, it's impossible to sack a guy each down, but just because he doesn't get pressured doesn't mean it's going for a touchdown. Stallworth is their best receiver right now and really, as long as our safeties cover the deep ball he's not a huge threat.
    I guess what I'm trying to say is that even though our secondary isn't great, it's not awful. We'll cover guys on most plays, not like we have a bunch of Reggie Howards out there.
     
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    Is it me, or does NE seem to 'taking' away pieces that we were trying to get? As if to counter us but not allowing us to get certain players? Seems strange they've never been this busy, then when they are, they half our players and then a handful of targets we have in FA.
     
  16. billdacman

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    I disagree

    I would have to disagree with this statement. I think they were definately thinking about us when they signed Wes to that rediculous offer sheet. Not only do they gain a good player, we lose one. They are kicking our *** so far this off season, I hope we can come back some with our draft picks.
     
  17. sn9ke.eyes

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    Stallworth will be injured before the season is halfway over. That the pats are adding so many receivers tells you how bad their receivers were last year. They are focusing on one thing, and that is winning the SB. That should be the same thing we are doing. Getting distracted by focusing on one team or another usually gets you nothing but disappointment.
     
  18. Aqua4Ever04

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    Great receivers? None of their guys have ever gone over 1000 yards and we're calling them great? Sure, they have some nice players, but they are spending big money on marginal talent. Welker was no where near worth what they gave up and Stallworth is good, but can he stay on the field? I know we'll at least split with the Patriots, I'm more worried about finding out how to beat those damn Bills and Jets for once.
     
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    I'm starting to question if winnning the off-season is that great of a task to begin with.

    Hasn't it been us who have killed the Pats in the past 3 or 4 off-seasons? What did that amount to? The answer is absolutley nothing. Now I'm not saying this is neccesarily a good thing for us, but let's not overrate the off-season.
     
  20. MR NFLFAN

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    "Big money on Marginal talent"

    From SI's Peter King

    I think as much as I praise teams for showing a little restraint, I think one team that's gone wild and has done a good job is New England ... and the Patriots aren't done. For $14.2 million in 2007 cap dollars, the Patriots bought blocking back and special-teamer Heath Evans ($720,000 cap charge for '07), versatile defender Adalius Thomas ($3.4 million), blocking tight end Kyle Brady ($2.3 million), second running back/special-teamer Sammy Morris ($1.83 million), possession wideout/return man Wes Welker ($1.7 million), special-teams captain Larry Izzo ($475,000), third guard Billy Yates ($650,000) and, on Sunday, starting wideout Donte' Stallworth ($3.1 million).
    Two notes: New England's still got the 13th-most cap room left, $7.7 million. And Mike Shanahan on Kyle Brady: "He's the best blocking tight end in football.''

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/03/11/mmqb/4.html

    Sounds to me like NE is doing alright managing their cap dollars and you being the expert you are on talent don't seem to have many people agreeing with you. I've also heard a lot of how JT gets to brady which in the past he has done a good job but you can expect he'll have to run thru Kyle Brady along with Light this season and at 6-6 280 lbs he's a load. I know what you're going to say but I think I'll believe Shanny before I do you. To Kings list of "marginal talent" you can add Stallworth and Kelly Washington.
    Having filled a lot of holes thru FA NE will have the luxury of taking the best player still available with the #24 th and #28 th overall picks or whoever they want. I have to say its nice to go into the draft knowing whoever you select isn't going to be forced ready or not to produce right out of the gate. Christmas in March feels great.
     
  21. Aqua4Ever04

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    Well all you Pats' fans think that Wes Welker is the best thing since sliced bread and the truth is he is just an average player. You guys gave him good money and gave us a 2nd and 7th round pick. Stallworth also got a big deal despite big time injury problems. Thomas was a good sign, but the Welker deal was down right dumb by the Pats FO.
     
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    Didn't we beat the Pats 21-0 last year without a decent QB??? I am not worried.

    :dolphins:
     
  23. rick32883

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    please brady cracks when it comes to playing in miami .. and he buckles when there is true pressure on .. and no one sees it because there is hardly ever pressure on .. with our front 7 i think we'll continue to put him on full tilt every time we play them
     
  24. Gator Mike

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    He might have been the most productive slot receiver in the NFL last year.

    Stallworth got a one-year deal. Big time injury problems? He's missed four games in the past three years. During that time, he's played one fewer game than Joey Porter, and six more than Cory Schlessinger.
     
  25. MR NFLFAN

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    Thanks Gator Mike. :up: Aqua4Ever04 throws up a lot out of thin air much of which isn't fact. You are correct about Stallworth his deal is essentially 1yr $3.6 mill at this point. Welker IMO did well for a 3rd year player who played during the dolphins musical chair QB's season and still was the most productive receiver on the team. I have little doubt his production should be good with Brady tossing him the rock and a quick slot receiver will help Brady unload before a heavy rush can get there. Weather the Pats over paid or who got the best end of the trade still remains to be seen come draft day. I am a believer that finding a player even at #60 who can do all the things Welker is capable is very slim but you never can tell. We'll see what draft day brings to Miami in his place. By the way Aqua4Ever04 just for the record Welker will make $1.7 million next season not far off from the $1.3 million tender offer of the dolphins.
     
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    Our team needs to focus on winning games not particular teams. While our front office probally has not been perfect in its decisions thus far it has been doin well. They are making improvments and cutting out overpaid players. I hope to see us in the playoffs but even if we arnt we are on the road to building playoff contenders.
     
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    I'm going to ask you to keep the personal attacks to a minimum. If you would like to target me, do so in a P.M.

    As for Stallworth's injury history, he missed 4 games last year so right away I know that the previous provided stats were incorrect. Donte missed a total of 9 games throughout his career. The fact is he has had an injury hold him out of at least 1 football game every year except for one in his career. He is also looking at a $6 million roster bonus after the 2007 season if the Patriots decide to hang on to him. Don't make claims at me proposing that I just make up things. Those are facts and I don't need you correcting what is already right.

    And yes, Welker is just an average football player. You choose to see through that because he's on your team now. Prior to this off-season when he was on the Dolphins, all you Pats' fans viewed him as just another guy. Now he plays for the Patsies and he is a god.
     
  28. Myles Fynch

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    Almost 40% of our 16 game schedule is made up of playing only three different teams. It absolutely makes sense to keep an eye on what your division opponents are up to, and along the same lines, to grab one of their good players in FA when you can. That's why a lot of Miami fans wanted Samuel so badly. Hurts them and helps you.

    Our defense has done very well against the Pats offense, which is commendable considering they have the best QB and head coach in the game. Where we fall short is that after they score, it's questionable whether or not we will be able to match them shot for shot. Right now, we can't. We don't have the OL, QB, or skill position guys (outside of Ronnie) to get it done. By September I'm hopeful that's changed. Yes, I know we beat them last year but had it been in the playoffs it probably would have come out differently, sad to say.
     
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    Brilliant post my friend. I feel the exact same way. Not only are we trying to position ourselves in front of them in the division, but like you said, we play 40% of our games against these teams as well. You can't lose in your division and expect to win the thing. These games essentially count as 2 when you win or lose, the other team is winning or losing as well.
     
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    Thanks bro.

    :ffic:
     
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    The way I see it, we have Jason Allen at safety. He was drafted in the first for a reason, and without the hip injury he could have gone higher. It's ridiculous to give up on the guy already, let's let him counteract Stallworth's deep threat.

    Bell is great in run support but his coverage is shaky, so let's keep him on the bench behind Hill and Allen who can both cover but also drop the hammer on receivers coming across the middle. They should be our starting safeties, although another option is moving Hill to corner where he has played with success before.

    I like Landry but I think drafting him would be a wasted pick because we really don't need him. Our secondary really isn't that bad.

    I think we need to pull a Baltimore and rode our Defense and Ronnie and Ricky to the playoffs. Let's face it, we've kept a great defense intact with the same co-ordinator and we've added Joey Porter.

    Brady hates playing against JT and now he has to deal with Porter too, I think we sweep NE this year.
     
  32. Dredd1050

    Dredd1050 A STRONG MAN SHEDS BLOOD BEFORE TEARS

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    All of these moves ensure the fact that the Pats will not win anything this year. They have won championships with little or no splashes with big signings. Now that they have made 2 or 3, they've mushed themselves.
     
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    Welker 5"11? Try 5"9.
     
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    What does that quote remind me of? Oh yeah- you and Chris Chambers. Glass houses, pot calling the kettle black, etc.
     
  35. MR NFLFAN

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    I really don't care what Stallworth could be "looking at" Right now he has a 1 yr $3.6 million deal. The contract has many bonus options but he has not been paid those bonuses and could very well be a FA by next season. Those are the facts of his deal. Stallworth is no more injury prone than Branch was. Its my understanding that you know this so why paint the signing with the broad brush, using terms like "he got a big deal". He was actually offered more money from Tenn. but chose NE because he wanted to play with Brady.
    Stallworth was all the buzz around here when Miami was looking at him and I have to believe they would have taken this deal in a heart beat. I never made the statement that I think Welker was better than sliced bread so I guess your wrong about what ALL PATS FANS think too. I'm not attacking anyone but if your going to throw things up here at least be specfic and don't try and makes things appear to be something they are not. Once again Right now the pats are on the cap for $3.6 mill and not a penny more and weather Stallworth gets the option payout remains to be seen, its not garanteed. Its my opinion that $3.6 million for this season is a cheap price to pay for a WR with his talent. I think most fans would agree.

    I relate this two buying a car with a clause that states you can drive it for a year but you must make the payments and if after a year your not happy with the car for any reason bring it back and you'll not stuck paying another cent on it.
     
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    Welker will receive $1.7 Million this season from the Pats thats $400,000 more than his tender offer from the Dolphins. He would have cost us a 2nd rounder anyway so your bonus was a 7th rounder. I guess the $400,000 extra is the good money you speak of. So Welker your teams leading receiver wasn't worth that extra "good money" to you thats fine with me. I'm going to wait and see just how "dumb" this deal was of the Pats seeing at this time we really don't know what your team will get player wise for this trade. I would like to state though the Pats FO hasn't gotten the team to where it is today by making dumb moves so I'm going to trust in them on this one too. You are entitled to your opinion of our FO but it seems more jealousy driven than factual.
     

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