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  1. hoops

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    ok so they're not facts...i don't like that rocky mountain horse piss anyways...my predictions on the festivities beginning in around 12 hours...it's a case...a 24 pack...no lightweights around here...lets start it off with one that will have many of you bonging beers...

    1. qb ryan mallett will not be a top 20 pick

    2. wr aj green goes #4 to cinci

    3. wr julio jones goes #6 to cleveland

    4. dallas if they don't trade out of pick #9 will select ot tyron smith

    5. dt nick fairley falls out of the top 10

    6. robert quinn falls out of the top 10

    6. the first 3-4 de off the board will be cameron jordan of cal

    7. the earliest de daquan bowers comes off the board is pick #20

    8. mark ingram will be the first rb off the board and a 1st round pick

    9. te kyle rudolph will be a 1st round pick

    10. cb brandon harris will not be a top 50 pick

    11. qb christian ponder comes off the board no later than pick #35 cinci

    12. miami will trade out of pick #15

    13. dt corey liuget goes in the top 15

    14. new england will trade out of pick #28 to a team looking to come up for a qb and will recieve a 2012 1st round pick and a 2nd rounder in return

    15. dt phil taylor goes pick #21 to kc

    16. the 2nd te off the board will not come off til round 3

    17. there will be no listed safety prospect selected in round 1...college cb to conversion nfl free safety aaron williams would be the only exception and it would be late in round 1 if it did happen

    18. og john moffitt will not come off the board prior to round 4

    19. te/hb dj williams goes no earlier than round 4 same for te julius thomas

    20. lb mark herzlich goes no earlier than round 5 (long 3 day wait in the green room for him)

    21. wr aldrick robinson will be a dolphin

    22. miami will have selected a rb by the end of round 3

    23. tampa will trade up from pick #20 for a de prospect

    24. and finally miami will find a way to screw it up...
     
  2. greasyObnoxious

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    none of those points are surprising
     
  3. hoops

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    looking at your mock 1.0 with mallett at #5 and some of the other things i think there's some surprises i've put out there but to each his own i guess
     
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    yeah, i like Mallett. others don't. doesn't mean i would be surprised if he fell. i know my opinion doesn't mean squat as far as the real draft is concerned.
     
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    I can't bong beers tonight........my first child is due today!!

    And yeh Coors is rocky mtn piss!

    I'll take #23 !!
     
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    what bad timing you have...
     
  7. Conuficus

    Conuficus The look on Tom Brady's face: Pricless

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    I agree with a lot of that Hoops. Mocked it that way too. :lol:

    After as much as we bantered...............classic.
     
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    congrats. i'll have a couple of beers on you then haha
     
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    On the contrary my friend....i think it's destiny (no i am not naming it Destiny if it's a girl HAHA) But i appreciate your support.

    Spring time in the rockies after a 6 month winter....the sunshine is coming, flowers blooming, and the layers are coming off. It's a great time to have a kid. (and draft Ryan Mallett!!)
     
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    tell the wife to hold it a little longer...:lol:
     
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    Miami unfortunately wont find a trade partner for pick 15. I just dont see that guy thats going to fall that everyone will want to move for.

    So basically we are stuck with #15 and no 2nd round pick. Which means We must hit and hit hard with that pick.

    My opinion on what we should do at this point is either draft Mallet or Kyle Rudolph. Yes its a huge reach for both but since we can cant trade back and do not have a 2nd round pick we must look at this pick as the value being anywhere from a pick 15 to pick 60 value. Choose your guy and run with it.

    What I expect them to do is totally diferent though, they have no marbles and run around with sand in their you know whats, and will select Pouncey. Unexciting and safe as always.

    Same strategy and philosophy that has brought us back to back 7-9 seasons. So be it,prepare for another one.
    Chubbs
     
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    you must be reading my work...:lol:
     
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    Mine was published first. :lol:
     
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    Congrats on your first ... you'll probably remember this draft for a loooong time!!
     
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    Hey congrats man , today will be one of the best days of you're life.
     
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    i'm just messin...i got a 2 week old son in my house right now...i told my wife to speed it up :lol:

    congrats and to good health
     
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    So do you think Corey Luiget is going to get picked before Nick Fairley? Because I don't see two 4-3 teams needing a DT between 10 (the point after which you think Fairley falls) and 15 (the point before which you think Luiget is getting picked). Could happen, it's not an invalid prediction. But I don't know if that's what you mean.

    Ultimately I think Brandon Harris will be picked before 50. But I don't think he's going today by any means. Baltimore in a trade down is my bet.

    Dallas looks likely to trade down but I think they'll pick Watt ahead of Smith. Rob Ryan is the new DC and he'll insist. Assuming they don't trade up for one of the CBs.

    I think DJ Williams will be a 3rd rounder. Julius Thomas is probably a fourth rounder, so I agree with that.

    The rest of this I agree with. Especially #24. :)
     
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    i think st louis would take legit over fairley if they could choose b/t the 2...dj williams lack of size as a te drops him into round 4...although i can see round 3...i just think the real value is round 4
     
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    I told my wife after 2 days of labor if the screaming was really necessary..... lol jk
     
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    my crystal ball must have been a little hazy but #24 was crystal clear...ha ha
     
  21. RobertHorry

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    How did Miami screw it up hoops?
     
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    interior oline with a top 15 pick is screw up...guess who else in the league has used a top 15 pick on interior oline in the last 10 years??? no one...we're the only ones...its bad value...this kid better be steve hutchinson or nick mangold or this sucks...end of story

    and watching the way the board unfolded i think miami kind of panicked a bit...moving up into late round 2 for daniel thomas when the value at rb was headed to round 3 and 4 anyways...losing the 5th round pick which could have landed us a te in dj williams that fits like a glove the h back role...trading to 6ths for some reason to come up and get charles clay...meh

    i do like daniel thomas the player...best feet on a big back in a draft no doubt...but let me present something to you

    pouncey at #15...delone carter at #79 edmond gates at #111 dj williams in the 5th...thats pretty damn good

    i just think we panicked a bit...and gave up that 5th when we didn't need to...i know why they did it but i don't agree with it...
     
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    and seattle...pete carroll must have been stoned when they put their board together...lmao
     
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    Their draft didn't seem to match any of their needs.
     
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    Dont like Delone Carter that much. I like Thomas much much better. Gates is a great pick and I rather have Clay than Williams.
     
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    well then this draft was right up your alley...
     
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    Yeah it was. I loved this draft. May be the only one on this board, but it was great to me.
     
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    is isn't so much that i love delone carter...i think he's solid...limited feet not much make you miss big downhill back...but i just wish we didn't give up that 5th...of course daniel thomas showed he can take a direct snap so i'm sure these guys that love the damn wildcat couldn't resist that

    that probably put them over the edge...that and those ballerina feet of daniel thomas
     
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    I also like Thomas better than Carter. Wasn't big on Carter -- didn't like his lateral agility, in particular -- and wouldn't have been very enthused to go into the season with him as the starter. I have my reservations about Thomas, as well, which I brought up in the Gates thread on the main forum. I'm going to watch the UCLA game tonight to get a better hold on him, though. I spent more of the time pre-draft looking at the quicker guys like Hunter, Powell, White and company.

    In retrospect I should have known better. :)
     
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    Steelers, Seahawks, and the 49ers. So 3 times in the past 10 years. Maybe 4 if you consider Robert Gallery, but he was selected to play tackle but failed and plays guard now.
     
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    just in case there's any doubt i like daniel thomas more than delone carter...i had thomas my 3rd-4th rated back...i just wish we kept that 5th rounder and we could have gotten a big downhill back with limited speed later

    thats all
     
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    name em... the players in the top 15??? and no not drafted tackles playing guard now like gallery cause they flopped at tackle...name em
     
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    My bad I thought it said top 20 as that has been your cutoff limit all through the off-season as your lower limit for drafting interior O-line. We drafted an interior O-Line prospect the highest one has ever been selected in the past 10 years :bobdole:, and he's not even the best interior o-line prospect of that group :bobdole::bobdole:
    And he is the highest drafted interior o-line prospect since Ruben Brown who was drafted in 1995. :bobdole::bobdole::bobdole:
     
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    top 20 still is my cutoff limit and i'm aware teams have done it...i still don't think its good value...but thats just me
     
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    Pouncey is the highest center taken since 1993, I believe, not the highest interior line prospect.

    That honor goes to Leonard Davis, who was the #2 overall pick in 2002 and started at guard his first three seasons before briefly moving out to tackle and then back to guard.
     
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    But he played Tackle at Texas, so that doesn't really count.
     
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    2011 - #15 Mike Pouncey
    2011 - #23 Danny Watkins
    2010 - #17 Mike Iupati
    2010 - #18 Maurkice Pouncey
    2009 - #21 Alex Mack
    2009 - #28 Eric Wood
    2007 - #29 Ben Grubbs
    2006 - #23 Davin Joseph
    2006 - #29 Nick Mangold
    2005 - #26 Chris Spencer
    2005 - #32 Logan Mankins
    2003 - #21 Jeff Faine
    2002 - #30 Kendall Simmons
    2001 - #17 Steve Hutchinson

    those are all the interior OL drafted in round 1 since 2000. the success rate it pretty good, but it's still not an area i prefer to spend such a high pick on.
     
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    Yes it does, since they projected him to guard and he ultimately played there. I don't, to use another example, consider Brandon Albert to have been drafted as a guard, since the Chiefs took him to play left tackle and that's where he's played. Same principle.
     
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    they didn't draft him #2 overall to play guard though...leonard davis was drafted as a tackle...i'm pretty sure of that...

    ---------- Post added at 02:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:41 PM ----------

    and what does that show you for the most part...the top interior line prospects value in the draft usually falls in the 20's...
     
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    Maybe I'm an easy grader, but if you nail the player and the spot but there's a trade out, I give half credit. You done well, Hoops.
     
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    Hoos, that was phenomenal. Major props. Even your misses were slight and actually pretty logical. I don't think you were "way off" about anything. Impressive.
     
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    I wasn't happy with getting stuck with Pouncey at 15 but who else could we have taken at that spot that would be able to contribute to the team as much as he would?

    I'm sure we tried to move down but there were no takers so we did what made the most sense for the team.

    BTW, major props on your projections. That's as close to spot-on as you can get when it comes to the draft.
     
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    The QB that was #1 on New England's Draft Board
     
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    Mallett at 15 sounded great before the draft. Now, not so much. If NE didn't draft him, he probably would of fell out of the 3rd round as well. Obviously, teams knew more than we did to fall that far. Still would of much preferred him with our 2nd rounder though.
     
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    Mark Ingram

    Ireland admitted to never picking up the phone to even find out if we could work out deals.

    Hooshoops: You were money. Nice work.
     
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    is that for real??? didn't even call to see if anyone was interested??? thats terrible
     
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    Do you really want to be the one to call then find out a team isn't interested? It looks desperate and needy. Everyone knew we wanted to trade down, and no one was interested.
     
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    desperate and needy??? more like due diligence...someone could have offered up a bounty to trade out...you don't know if you don't try...i hope at least that prior to the draft he let everyone know he might be willing to trade down if he didn't call people during the draft...
     
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    The Dolphins didn't have an opportunity to trade out of the No. 15 overall selection, according to Ireland. "The phones weren't ringing so we took the pick," Ireland said. "When the phone doesn't ring you kind of lose your leverage if you're calling around. 'Do you want this pick, do you want this pick.' That's not the way I do it. They have to want the pick before you can trade. And the phone wasn't ringing."

    Way to make things happen, Ireland. ****ing idiot.
     
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    You think NE was the only team out there smart enough to see that plum ? Seriously ?
     

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