Jamar Taylor's Kidney Issue May Have Made Him Slip to #54

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  1. ikkonz

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    Per Rotoworld/Miami Herald:

    Very interesting, maybe we got him at better value than expected. Hopefully they're right and his kidney is a non-issue.
     
  2. dlockz

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    most places had him going second round but maybe he would go higher in round
     
  3. Csonked Out

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    He may be the steal of the draft for us, fully expect him to start opposite Grimes on opening day
     
  4. dlockz

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    You could be right but starting over two nickelbacks is not a ringing endorsement. I personally like about 5 cbs better than him but he is a solid guy
     
  5. ckparrothead

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    So we're assuming that teams that passed on him had no reason?

    Kidneys functioning at 42% is ok for a professional athlete playing in sweltering heat and humidity?
     
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    Many high blood pressure medications can do this to you liver and Kidney's if they go without being looked at for awhile. They can heal with just a simple switch of medication, if that is all it is, there is nothing to worry about.
     
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    Reading the Miami Herald article it sounds like the test at the combine saved him from something that could have become very serious. Also sounds like now that the issue has been brought to his attention the doctors have altered the medication and his kidneys will improve and he should be fine.
     
  8. ckparrothead

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    So then teams DIDN'T pass on him because of this.

    Or are people trying to have it both ways?
     
  9. xXwarXx

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    What is it that your actually trying to say here, because I have no clue.
     
  10. ckparrothead

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    This is very simple.

    If this is nothing to be concerned about, then the theory that Jamar Taylor fell due to this is most likely false.

    If the theory that Jamar Taylor most likely fell due to this it true, then this is something to be concerned about.

    You can't have it both ways.
     
  11. ikkonz

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    I think he is trying to say that if this is a seemingly non-issue, why are they reporting that teams may have passed on Taylor because of it. I think what the article is trying to get at is that teams were initally worried and were unsure if it would be an issue going forward and in order to be risk averse, may have passed over Taylor for a safer pick.
     
  12. mmikel30

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    I thought the Pats were going to take him for sure right in front of us...I was thrilled they didnt
     
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    Oh high blood pressure in the heat and humidity well that makes it better
     
  14. ckparrothead

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    In other words teams and their doctors were concerned enough to take this guy off their board, but we know they were silly for doing so, because...Miami Herald article. Amirite?
     
  15. oasis

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    Why can't you? Can two different teams not evaluate or proiritize medical risk differently? Could the Saints not say, "We think Brees' shoulder is a non-issue" while Miami said "it might be?"
     
  16. ikkonz

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    Hahah I guess we put our faith in Miami homerism. Or at the very least wait to hear more about this story.
     
  17. ckparrothead

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    So Brees' return to health means there was no valid cause for concern?
     
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    We don't really know if he came off anyones board because of this, do we?

    Although I'm sure he did, doesn't make them right or wrong.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    The kidney thing could be nothing. It could be no cause for concern whatsoever. But if it is indeed, then no teams did not pass on him because of it.
     
  20. TheWalrus

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    Two words.

    Kenny. Easley.
     
  21. ohall

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    CK people have different opinions about what TV shows they like or do not like. I would assume what is a BIG issue to one team may not be as BIG an issue to another team.
     
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    42 percent efficiency is no good. As an icu nurse I have seen people go into complete kidney failure from blood pressure meds. Some never recover even when they stop taking the meds
     
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    So then it IS something we should be concerned about?
     
  24. oasis

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    No, just that it was minimal enough for them and big enough for Phins. Perhaps the kidney thing was a big deal for some teams, esp. for a 2nd rounder.
     
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    So then this is something we should be concerned about.
     
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    Well he had to have played with the issue all last year. It did not seem to affect him on the field.
     
  27. ohall

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    CK I'm simply pointing out ppl and along those lines teams view issues differently all the time.
     
  28. oasis

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    If you are one to worry about kidney issues, sure. I'm with mr3117. Kidney damage due to meds is often reversible, but not necessarily.

    Personally Ireland's emphasis on value sure seems to result in drafting a lot of injured players. Seems like he sees who slips the farthest and then talks himself out of the medical issue being a problem.
     
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    Sounds like the kidney issue did play a part in his drop, probably scared some teams away. At the same time, he has switched medicines, the doctors told him his kidney function will improve and he says it never affected him on the field. Something to keep an eye on going forward, but it sounds like it is more likely not going to be a future problem then it being one.
     
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    Damn, that's scary.
     
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    I'm more worried about his high blood pressure at such a young age-- and he's an athlete!

    Fibrotic kidneys are no joke though.
     
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    High blood pressure in your 20's? Scar tissue doesn't just disappear either, unless you surgically remove it.

    Now it all makes sense why he dropped.

    Hopefully everything goes well.
     
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    High blood pressure playing out in the sweltering heat and his kidneys are shot to hell too. Damn.
     
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    And we were worried about wasting a 5th on Ryan Swoope. HAHA
     
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    Really????
     
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    The man has a point...
     
  37. COMEBACKRICKY

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    Yeah it's definitely not good and the herald seems to be conflicting. I just finished studying the kidney so I'll share what I know but it's hard to determine the outlook without knowing specifics about his issues and how long he has had it.

    The kidney has the ability to repair the nephrons if the insult has not lasted a long time (acute tubluar necrosis).. but if this is a chronic thing and it went a long time undecided those nephrons could be lost for good. Kidney scarring typically means the glomerulus got damaged and those are the tiny blood vessels that go into the kidney.. those can't be healed.. once they are damged they are lost for good. So when the report says that "he is expected to improve" I'm guessing they are just going to put him on meds but the kidneys themselves can't heal like in other cases of kidney damage.
    As 3117 said, people with scarring can go into complete renal failure so I'm not sure why the Herald is saying he is expected to improve..It's not something that he will just forget about soon enough. If it is in fact scarring of the kidney and the glomeruli were damaged, he will have to cope with either by medications or a kidney transplant in the future if it gets worse. If he has to be on constant medications thats not good for his performance since theres no perfect medicine for this kind of stuff. He could very easily have a lot of bad days due to side effects from the medication. I would hate for him to get light headed before snaps and have to deal with that during the play.

    People tend to mess up terms all the time so it might not be as bad as actual kidney scarring.. could be something else and the herald messed up their terms. I hope thats the case.


    If you care to know this is a lot of science so skip it if you don't care.. The glomerulus are the tiny vessels that go into the kidney and pass into a high pressure capsule.. The blood continues on but there is a filtrate that gets taken out of the blood and that filtrate then goes into the nephron. Nephrons are long tubes that start at the outer edge of the kidney, dip into the inner part and come back up. We have about a million of these nephrons per kidney and they serve to reabsorb/excrete water and solutes like sodium, chloride, and potassium based on if we need those things or not.. the kidney is the major player in long term blood pressure control so when you mess with the kidney you have patients coming in with blood pressures that are whack.
    Kidneys are sensitive to change in pressure so they would release an enzyme (renin) which ultimately leads to the activation of a hormone (aldosterone) which acts on the nephrons themselves to open up more channels to take back more water and sodium. Aldosterone also causes vasoconstriction, which means to makes the arteries smaller to increase pressure. So if he has scarring thats going to interfere with the tubular part and he's going to have really bad vasoconstriction because of the aldosterone secretion.. Now, since the heart has to pump blood into smaller arteries, the blood pressure is going to go up significantly. I imagine this would also affect his exercise capacity since his body is working against him to properly get blood to the muscles during exercise. The biggest thing is that they have diagnosed him and they know that he has it so it shouldn't get any worse with the proper medications. I would guess they'd give him vasodilators to make his heart work less. Whatever the case is, if this scarring is as significant as they say it is, thats definitely not something that can just be ignored.
     
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    What is your exact issue? I'm not sure what you're aiming at. Have you designated yourself the person who must give Dolphin fans a reality check about having it both ways? You appear to be that guy with this issue on twitter.

    Teams were concerned. He slipped. Doesn't mean as the money risk came down he wasn't about to be selected by someone else. Should Colts fan be concerned that Werner fell to them? Whats wrong with him? If you think I should be concerned, how concerned should I be? How concerned should I be about a 2nd round CB with kidney issues brought on by medicine? The issues haven't stopped him from playing at a high level. Should Steelers fans be concerned about Ryan Clark falling apart during the middle of the season because of his illness?

    I'm concerned Tannehill won't be a great QB. I'm concerned Oregon's quarters system is gonna keep Jordan out of some OTAs. I have plenty of concerns. Add Taylor to the list
     
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    Quite a few athletes have high blood pressure actually. Obviously not from their lifestyle but genetics.. African-Americans are more prone to hypertension. It's definitely not something you want to have if you're in the NFL. I'm really bummed to hear this.

    And no they can not remove scar tissue from the kidney these are extremely tiny vessels that are being damaged, it's not the same as removing scar tissue from a joint. Kidney scarring is unfortunately permanent.
     
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    Man, kind of a bummer. It's probably a part (maybe a large part) of why, according to lots of posters here, Ireland 'panicked' and felt like he had to get back into the 3rd once corners started going to grab Davis. Grimes off an ACL and your 2nd-rounder with high blood pressure and kidney problems...should probably plan on needing that depth.
     

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