Let Starks walk, move Odrick inside, sign or draft pass rushing DE
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hoops
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i honestly can't argue with any of that...i think you nailed it...there's definitely some buyer beware with bowe and mike wallace imo and i think you nailed the baby brandon marshall comparison from a player stand point...not sure though i see the personalities quite the same...bowe doesn't come off to me as bipolar...and i watche him closely on a thursday nigh football game this year cause so many were endorsing him and he never quit despite the game being over late and showed off some nice abilty to get off press and win physically and was a load to tackle after the catch...he's definitely not fast by any means but he's help this wr core a ton...have to realize though that i doubt you'd be getting 1500 yards and 15 tds a year but i bet you' get 80 catches around 1200 yards and double digit tds...that guy wins in the red zone i know that much...the qbs miss him a ton though when he wins at the los
damanref10
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tried to attach my agreement with that by just saying on the field focus are similar... in the sense that i dont think these guys really aren't talented enough not to drop balls that for whatever reason they lack the focus to just complete the catch. to my knowledge bowe has had zero off the field incidents that resemble anything that comes with Brandon Marshall.
I'm close to what you would project a typical Bowe year to be for us which would be more along the lines of 1050 yards and maybe 7 to 8 tds. and honestly i dont see that kind of production being worth the contract he is going to demand. IF bowe could give us 1200 and double digit tds like you think he could... i would sign him to the deal he asks every day and twice on sundays drops and all... i just dont think thats what we would get much like what we expected from BM wasnt what we got.
hoops
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1200 yards might be a little rich...i think the double digit tds though would be pretty close...8 to 12 somewhere in there... heck in this o brian hartline can even go for 1000 yards...so i would say his production would exceed that...but he'll also have games where he'll go ghost...but so does mike wallace...greg jennings if he was here i think would be consistent...even if you add jennings though get a wr in the draft with physical size and strength for the red zone especially...glaring need...a guy who can go up and get it and win physically off the line...
damanref10
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dont disagree with any of that.. and its precisely why i want to go the jennings and draft a WR route. if you grab jennings you dont need to use the 1st or 2nd rounder on the WR and you still are saving money at the position. its a win win win
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This make no sense to be if you grab bowe you need to draft a 1st/2nd but if you get greg jennings who will be 30 years old coming from a injury rattled season you don't? And Greg Jennings WILL GET PAID as he has produced a lot in hi following years and the reason he will be a FA is because greenbay CAN'T afford him. He will be looking for a long term deal at his age but no doubt will he get paid a potentially more than bowe but less than wallace. Also there was no question to me that when we let marshall go the number 1 WR we would replace him with will probably not be as good as him and that's normal because marshall isn't an everyday talent that falls from trees(neither of the 3 WRs FA will have a year like marshall is having or the most complete WR from the draft) Jennings has the highest chance to fail in production at his age, coming off injury, and downgrading from the best QB in the NFL to a rookie QB. I would still use a 2nd rounder on a WR if we get him.
Correction, Odrick will not be a FA until 2015. He's locked up for the next 2 years.
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I like the thinking but wrong DT.
This is a passing league.. a more dynamic, mobile, pass rushing DT is better than a 2 down run specialist DT... my suggestion is look at off loading Soliai.. might actually get something for him if he's under contract [not sure of his contract status] - especially for a contender who would run a 30 front and is weak in the middle.
Just a thought.
This is a passing league.. a more dynamic, mobile, pass rushing DT is better than a 2 down run specialist DT... my suggestion is look at off loading Soliai.. might actually get something for him if he's under contract [not sure of his contract status] - especially for a contender who would run a 30 front and is weak in the middle.
Just a thought.
I would prefer to keep Starks but he will demand a lot of money. Odrick should do fine in the middle with Saliai. Ideally it would be re-sign Starks and trade Odrick, and draft/sign a DE opposite of Wake. Id love to have Wake and Avril down here.!
damanref10
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the option to me isnt jennings and draft a WR or Bowe and then a 1st or second... IMO if you go and spend mega bucks on bowe.. they view him as more of the long term answer at WR1 and in that case consider the position more addressed and NOT draft a wr "highly at all" this year.
If we go with jennings, it is more likely that we still draft a project WR.
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its also not so much that they cant afford Jennings... its that they have jordy nelson and cobb who is blossoming and dont see resigning him as a need.
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The thing I don't agree with you then is that Jennings will still end up earning more $$ per year than bowe. He clearly won't take a pay cut to stick with a franchise like GB so he will want to get his final big pay check to live out his prime (which is questionable after having those injuries at his age). Another reason that bowe might be cheaper is because I remember reading furing the trade deadline he would like to go to miami being a miami native and all.
It's probably too early to mention this, but there's a CFL guy available after next year that's the second coming of Brandon Marshall but without the issues or dropsies. His name is Chris Matthews and he is the real deal. Anyhow, as you were...
damanref10
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its totally a fair disagreement, and to be honest who really knows what the final dollar figures will end up being, so we are just taking educated guess on the matter.. i dont know where you stand but this is what im basing my dollar figures off of, and then we can compare .
lets start out by just saying I believe Jennings will end up making less money per year and believe he is the better player right now and will be for the next few years
-he is a year older than Bowe (coincidentally exactly a year older, they are both born on september 21)
-after back to back seasons over 1100 yards (1200+ and 9 tds the year before) he signed his extension for 4 years 27 million (roughly 6.5 per year) when he was entering his prime
-has had injuries here and there over the years but this year especially in a contract year he hasnt been able to stay on the field and bowe has had no injuries to my knowledge until literally sunday where he broke his ribs and just got put on IR. but you can hardly knock bowe for that.
-bowe still has the ability to look back a few years ago and say he put together a season with 1500 yards and 15 touchdowns which Greg doesnt have on his resume. Greg has "only" had 12 touchdowns and did it twice with a few years in between them.
Also, depends on the type of GM who looks at the players, you would hardly find a scout who would say Greg is more physically talented than Bowe, fact is from a pure measurable standpoint, Bowe has him beat and a lot of times that will get you the big bucks.
As far as Bowe saying he would take a pay cut to come to miami... i never buy any of that. we have been played too many times before as a bargaining chip, and he was clearly just trying to get out of KC by the deadline. I worked in a sports agency over the summer and got to deal with players trying to get in and out of contracts and nearly everyone of them said where they played had no bearing on what their contract demands were going to be.
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The BFF of the guy in your Sig took quite a pay cut to take his talents to south beach lol, but I wanted to point out the part in bold that leads me to believe that is Irelands kind of WR and hardly goes for the explosive kind of player but more of the bigger/physical receiver. Also going a little back I wanted to point out that even though bowe had/1% more drop % than marshall they were hardly in the caliber of marshall in the sense of the horrid drops he had in the endzone quite often last year. Most were outside of the endzone from what I read/see. He proved not s long ago he is a threat in the endzone and the leading receiver in TDs which half of them were purely YAC. I think he seriously needs a change of scenery from KC, I couldn't stomach the feeling of being drafted to KC and that whole mess. Either way I would only want Bowe/Jennings they are both much more complete receivers than wallace and will get paid the most out of all 3 IMO
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