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blackthought said:
Nooooo actually it's not, ha, ha. But yeah, this is the link http://nfl.com/draft/story/9272044 check it out, its some good info.

You do actually have it backwards. Most draft sites and most scouts have Gabe Watson above Rod Wright. The Dolphins' infatuation with Watson and Cromartie is very real, and either could end up being our pick at #16.
 
ckparrothead said:
That's a whole lot of questions and I'm sure they are loaded questions too but I'll take a crack anyway.

Drew Brees HAD a subpar arm. Then he showed up to camp in 2004 having improved his ball velocity by 20%, consistently. He improved his distance throws and his velocity. How? He simply got in better shape, and broke down his throwing motion. Now I will sit here right now and swear to you he has an arm that is comparable to those of Trent Green, Rex Grossman, and Tom Brady. That probably ranks his arm somewhere between 25 and 30 among the 35 or 36 starters/pseudo-starters in the league. That isn't bad. It's definitely workable. Would an armstrength whore like Scott Linehan accept that? No, but Mike Mularkey and Nick Saban would.

The shoulder injury is concerning, but it is good to note that it is NOT the torn rotator cuff that has severely affected guys like Pennington and Griese over the years. It was a torn labrum. Those happen, and the prognosis is generally much better for torn labrums than torn rotator cuffs. For one thing, to my knowledge you aren't as likely to suffer another torn labrum as you are to have further rotator cuff problems. Is it concerning? Absolutely. But it isn't a dealbreaker in any way.

As for Denny Green, he runs an offense that simply is not compatible with Vince Young's talents. They've spent a lot of resources upgrading that WR unit (1st rounders on Larry Fitz and Bryant Johnson, 2nd rounder on Boldin). Put simply, Vince Young doesn't fit as Denny's kind of QB. He's cool with a guy who can run, but he wants guys who have stellar passing ability and can maximize on his ultra talented receivers. Vince Young, not unlike Mike Vick, is a WR minimizer. First off he's not a good vertical passer and Green likes to have a QB with a gun and nice touch that can hit receivers vertically. Also, Vince's runs take away from his passes, which for Arizona would be kind of like trying to feed the entire Brady Bunch out of one bowl of cereal. Denny recently said he won't spend big money on a FA runner. What does that mean to you? To me it means he's staring at LenDale White and saying he's as good as ours...and if the Packers take him first? Then DeAngelo Williams is theirs. And if not, he desperately needs line help and well I'll be there's Winston Justice sitting right there, troubled black youth with all the potential in the world that he is, perfect for Denny Green. Green won't pick Young. I'd stake a lot of money on it. I bet he would take Brodie Croyle though...or Reggie McNeal...even Omar Jacobs. I'd be willing to bet a lot that Omar Jacobs is Denny Green's guy, actually.

The Dolphins wouldn't take Young because Nick won't take on an idiot at QB, plain and simple. You have to be smart enough to understand the scheme. If Scott Linehan were here things would be different, but when Scott left the emphasis got placed on the Tom Bradys of the NFL, not the Daunte Culpeppers.

Danny had a low wonderlic, but not as low as the 6 that I am quite positive Vince scored on his first test. Also, Danny NEVER had to have an offense dumbed down to him. Is the wonderlic an absolute determinant of intelligence? No. Frank Gore scored a 6 but he actually has a documented learning disability and he's far smarter than his testing indicates. Danny Marino, for whatever reason, scored low but came across high in intelligence in interviews and certainly in his understanding of the offense and the things going on with the football field. Vince Young's score is low, so that means you search for OTHER cues to give that score legitimacy, or illegitimacy. What are the other cues, though? Poor decision after poor decision since the Rose Bowl? Deciding not to show at a scheduled meeting with endorsement companies? Deciding not to show at a hodge podge owners party where he would have had the opportunity to put on his sunday best and schmooze with potential employers? Hiring a backwater agent with no experience preparing players for the draft? Spouting off at the mouth about how scouts don't need to see him run because they know what he can do running, but saying he'll throw at the combine only to later reneg on that statement? Or how about not even bothering to hire a position specialist to coach him up until a week before the Combine, when it was too late already?

So basically, you're staring at a poor wonderlic showing and saying ok, we need to take OTHER cues from this guy's life to see if we think he has the intelligence to run a complex NFL offense, to break down complex NFL defenses, handle himself as a professional, lead men, etc. I'm afraid the other cues have just not spoken highly of him at all...and the worst cue of all is the fact that Mack Brown had to dumb down the offense and simplify it to maximize Vince Young's talents. I love when he tried to say in interview that the Longhorns ran a pro style offense. A shotgun offense that revolves around the zone-read? I can't think of a more non-pro offense.

There are things that separate Vince from previous examples of a guy showing poorly on the wonderlic, especially Dan Marino.

Great post and thank you for taking your time to go in depth with those things!
 
What have you guys heard about John Abraham and the fourth pick to the Texans for the number 1 pick overall? I like the trade even with the trade down, they potentially have a chance at Reggie Bush if the Jets take Leinart, New Orleans takes Cutler and the Titans pick DBrick or Mario. However if they do trade down it probably would be for DBrick, so with this scenario even a player like Bush could fall somewhat, maybe from 1st to 5th to the Chesseheads.
 
Boomer or CK

Cromartie just ran a 4.49 and a 4.58

Has everyone been over rating his speed, or is he just having an off day here?
 
SpeedRush99 said:
Yeah, actually you do have it backwards. :confused:

Did you read the entire article. I know a consensus has Rod after Gabe but in terms of credibility this is the NFL.com, NFL network is televising the event and these reporters are probably privy to more information. The article goes that their are 29 first round guys and then goes on to breakdown the guys that would be good in the second position by position, that could also very well be first rounders, and are just as capable as the first rounders. So to quote that line, is rather suspect :refuse: in my eyes.
 
blackthought said:
Did you read the entire article. I know a consensus has Rod after Gabe but in terms of credibility this is the NFL.com, NFL network is televising the event and these reporters are probably privy to more information. The article goes that their are 29 first round guys and then goes on to breakdown the guys that would be good in the second position by position, that could also very well be first rounders, and are just as capable as the first rounders. So to quote that line, is rather suspect :refuse: in my eyes.

Fact is, Watson is considered a mid 1st right now and Wright is a 2nd. Thats my point. You had it backwards, its all good.
 
Boomer and Ck, What do ya'll think about Jonathan Joseph from the real USC? He just ran two 40,s at 4.36. He is 5'11 193lbs. I know he is inexperienced but I watched a lot of USC games this year because of Spurrier, and he always seemed to make big plays and never get beaten. Do you think he will be available in the 2nd round or later?
 
2xBlown said:
I'm not sure if you guys discussed him yet, but I searched the thread and could not find it.

Ingle Martin... assuming that we sign Brees in FA, we have Cleo under contract who the coaches are apparently high on, Martin would seem like a possibility for 3rd string or maybe even practice squad in order to round out our QB corps for very low money in the 7th.

What do you guys think? He threw VERY well at the combine, better than Cutler I thought. Great arm strength (read somwehere he threw faster than Cutler) and I didn't see him miss on a single pass. I've never seen him play in a game situation though so don't really know what to think other than good raw skills.

Ingle threw well, ran well - 4.68 - he has a decent arm, versatile - people forget that he, like Ben Roethlisberger, was a pretty a decent punter and probably lifted himself up into the draft rather than being a FA. It would have been interesting to see him at Florida for 2 years if Chris Leak hadn't taken his job, but he did well at Furman. Certainly an interesting project.
 
BringBackShula said:
VINCE YOUNG falling to 18??! Did I miss something? If he's there, WE GOTTA GRAB HIM! RIGHT??

Why should we take him? And yes, you have clearly missed something mate.
 
blackthought said:
What have you guys heard about John Abraham and the fourth pick to the Texans for the number 1 pick overall? I like the trade even with the trade down, they potentially have a chance at Reggie Bush if the Jets take Leinart, New Orleans takes Cutler and the Titans pick DBrick or Mario. However if they do trade down it probably would be for DBrick, so with this scenario even a player like Bush could fall somewhat, maybe from 1st to 5th to the Chesseheads.

Well the Jets have openly been talking about dealing Abraham. It just depends on who they're targeting. Is it Bush, is it one of the QB's? Remember this though, Eric Mangini comes from the school of Bill Belichick/Nick Saban/Scott Pioli. That school says that the trades that you make are ones where you go down not up. You collect picks and transfer that to quality depth that you can plug in if the starter goes down.

I think the Texans are trying to blow some smoke and see what the interest is, but the very latest I've heard is that Kubiak is very enamoured with Reggie Bush.
 
Boomer said:
he, like Ben Roethlisberger, was a pretty a decent punter and probably lifted himself up into the draft rather than being a FA.

Forgot about that, 3rd string QB, 2nd string punter... we all know how much Saban values versatility :)

I'm very optimistic about this draft. It is very talent heavy and we have a coach with a very developed knowledge of many of these players. What do you think that the chances of filling pretty much all of our holes with good picks in the 1st 4 and depth with the 3 7th rounders are? That along with a couple good FA pickups and I think we would have a pretty complete team without any glaring holes.
 
Alex22 said:
Boomer or CK

Cromartie just ran a 4.49 and a 4.58

Has everyone been over rating his speed, or is he just having an off day here?

Yep saw that. Started strangely on the 2nd 40. I don't think the 4.49 is a bad time considering some of the following factors:

1 - It's 7 months since the ACL
2 - I think the pressure probably got to him. Remember, he has as much to prove as almost anyone in Indianapolis.
3 - I think he will run significantly faster in Tallahassee.
4 - He sized up really well and 18 at 225 on the bench was pretty good.

I think off-day rather than anything.
 
blackthought said:
Is their anyway Greenway falls to us.

Before today, no. But his very disappointing time and lift on the bench, coupled with the outstanding Bunkley workouts and Manny Lawson workouts, then yes, he could well do so. That said, Chad looked very impressive in the drills. But as of today, he might well be an option after all.

Look for Tye Hill to move right up as a Miami prospect. A 42 inch vertical and a 4.31 forty, especially considering what a fundamentally solid football player he is.......
 
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