inFINSible
Don't believe everything you think.
rickyrunsover, back away from the bait. I repeat...back away from the bait.
What dude? Me or Justa?rickeyrunsover said::stuck: Yeah I hear ya! I tried and was successful staying out of your debate in this thread, you were doing fine. It was hard tho, I am as sarcastic as you and that dude was setting himself up. :laugh:
Dphins4me said:What dude? Me or Justa?
awwrickeyrunsover said:Yeah there was alot of sarcasm, but i am the same so i kinda like his comments.
When I posted I proved him wrong it was about him misquoting me. Everything else is just opinion.rickeyrunsover said:You! Now granted you may have been responding to sarcasm, but you constantly said you proved inFINSible wrong when in fact all you did was provide your opinion.
Yes, they gave a top ten. However it is not that cut and dry. Seattle already had another top ten pick. Seattle knew the talent level in the draft in the mid 1st. Seattle knew everything they needed to know before agreeing to the trade. IMO that makes a huge difference.rickeyrunsover said:1. 17 to top ten is what it is regardless, they still gave up a top ten pick regardless of what it meant to them nor what happened to the player GB drafted.
What does the bolded part mean? And what does it have to do with this?rickeyrunsover said:GB still got a top ten pick, GB looked at it as what they got. Teams dont look at the trade and say 'Well since it doent hurt you too bad, we will do it' they do it because they get value. So in that regard, Seattle gave up more than we did.
A gamble is a gamble. However a calculated gamble is just that. Calculated. Seattle weighed the opitions available to them and decided it was a worth while gamble considering there was a great chance the player they wanted most likely would still be there.rickeyrunsover said:2. When is a gamble not a gamble? You admit they gambled, only hindsight allows you to say that everything worked out and they knew what they were doing, but at the time, you cannot say that as fact. Hence the definition of a gamble. Yep we gambled on Feeley based on RS's research and vote by Wolf who most consider an expert AND is the one that drafted Hasselback and Brunell. Oh and Brooks as well. Rick did trade with AJ thinking he could play now, it just so happens we have qb on the team the coach feels can play as well. Agree or disagree dont matter, Wanny gets the decision. When AJ has been three years and hasnt cracked the lineup or cant stay there, then it is a bust as fact. other than that it is conjecture.
Andrews & Carey were both drafted as tackles. They may play guard early in their career (Leonard Davis), but they both will be tried at tackle unless they prove they cannot handle the position of guard. Very rarely does a pure guard get drafted high. I have already given the data on that.rickeyrunsover said:3. Guards generally dont go high, granted. But it does happen, Andrews was drafted as a guard and Philli traded up to get him. We drafted Carey at 19 who plays both. So yes Seattle may have been confident in getting Hutchinson, and had a reason to be, they still gambled.
In a blind situation I will agree that Seattle gave up more, but once the draft prospects are known and their talent level determined, IMO the draft value board changes. That is why one year you get a pick traded for more than others. Its because of the talent level of the prospects. How many times have you heard "there will be players drafted in the 1st round that do not carry a 1st grade?"rickeyrunsover said:Besides that still doesnt mean they didnt give up more just because they still got who they wanted. They still gave up a valued pick to get the qb. On draft day and the 10 spot is up, that team can swap ones and pick up another pick or two because of teh talent available at that spot. So while Seattle felt comfortable giving it up and it works out for them doesnt change the value they gave up.
Read first reply.rickeyrunsover said:So in reality you proved noone wrong, you just stuck to your opinion.
He was. For this year. Runyan (sp) is hurting and is close to being on his last leg. He plays the RT spot, which is where Andrews was projected to play coming out.rickeyrunsover said:Andrews was drafted to play guard, they stated that at the draft, if they changed their tune, so be it, I havent followed the eagles closely.
GB obviously overvalued Reynolds.rickeyrunsover said:The bolded part means while Seattle may have felt comfortable giving it up, due to already having pick 9 and believing the guard would be there, it was still GB looking at it as getting a top ten pick. It isnt just about what Seattle felt they were giving up, it was also about what GB felt they were getting, even tho they screwed up the pick.
I'll agree with that. I know RS did not think that, however I think he like GB overvalued Feeley and what people around the league thought of him.rickeyrunsover said:In that giving up a top ten pick was the deal, they felt that was the value. It is a two sided coin. No team gives up value unless it feels it is getting value. RS didnt say well I dont want a second rd pick so I will give it up for a no name nobody.
He drafted Troy Taylor with the Jets in the 4th or 5th round in '90. I believe it was.rickeyrunsover said:I will research the qbs by wolf as he was also with the jets.
I know. Things tend to get blown out of proportion sometimes. This being one of them. He had a great run with GB. That is it.rickeyrunsover said:But you are in the minority as regards to wolfs ability to judge qbs.
Yes, I heard that.rickeyrunsover said:Fassel is another qb expert as noted by his peers and he also praised Feeley.
Like I said. I have never said Feeley would be a bust. Once again I have said and maintain. The bust I was referring too was the price paid. When you have been in the NFL for 3 years then your value is pretty much set until you do something. Miami overpaid because they like trading future picks instead of current picks.rickeyrunsover said:The whole point is until Feeley actually plays or fails to play, it is ridiculous to assume he is a bust.
When you make a trade like they did, then I feel you should have the balls to stand behind it, untill the guy proves he is not ready. Seattle did just that. Miami is not.rickeyrunsover said:The point about Hasselback is yes they started him, bu they then benched him. They believed he was ready when clearly he wasnt. Now they seem like geniouses, but had he not turned it around, how good would you be looking at it now?