I didn't come up with this it was Phrozen Phish from Phinsider.com did, but this is probably the best arguement for Henne that i have seen in this debate.
Who cares about 300 yd games? b./c Henne was ineffective early in games and had to throw a million times that makes him better?
If Sanchez had as many attempts as henne he would have thrown for 150 more yards.
Again, who cares about # of games w/ 20 completions? Henne's last 2 20 comp games? both losses in the 2 biggest games of the year for Miami.
# of TD passes in the 4th qtr of a win? So it's Sanchez's fault that our D blew a lead against Miami in Miami and that we gave up 3 non-opffensive Tds to Miami at home? OR that we ran for a TD in the 4th qtr? This is so silly.
Henne is 7-6 and Sanchez 10-8, 10-8 looks a hell of alot better when you consider he's 2-1 in the playoffs w/ both wins being road wins.
In Miami's 3 most impoprtant games- Henne 0-3
In NYJ's 3 most important games- Sanchez 2-1
Sanchez was a ROOKIE, it's not good for rookies to throw 30-40+ times a game. Henne had a year to learna nd came in w/ NO pressure w/ the team 0-3 already. Once he faced pressure in dec he played his worst football while Sanchez played his best in our biggest games.
- This is the bias stuff that gets me when I read a response from you. Henne stepped in with 'zero pressure'?? Really? Would this be your 'professional' opinion on that or are you just pulling it out of thin air?
- "BUT Sanchez stepped up when we needed him most and henne stepped back when you needed him most."
So Sanchez "stepped up" and had games like;
24-14win 12com 15att 80% 182yrds 1TD 0INT 139.4 Rating - Had a great game but looking at the attempts wasn't asked to do much.
17-14win 12com 23att 52.2% 100yrds 1TD 1INT 60.1 Rating - Is this another game you would describe as he "stepped up"?
17-30Lost 17com 30att 56.7% 257yrds 2TD 1INT 93.3 Rating - I don't want to go back and see where he got most of his yards from, if it was after the Jets were forced to pass or not, because I didn't watch the game.
The point I am trying to make here is your defense and running game WERE the reasons the Jets won against the Bangels and the Chargers(although if there were ever a team as notorious as the Braves in baseball come post season it is the Chargers) and not Sanchez "stepping up".
While Sanchez finished his playoffs with the best rookie stats I fail to see where he "stepped up" according to these stats that he finished with.
It wouldn't bother me so much because I liked how Sanchez played in the playoffs but when you come on here saying Sanchez stepped up and immediately follow that up with Henne stepped back. It's that bias sentence. It's a TEAM GAME. You honestly think if the Jets made Sanchez carry the team that you would have won those two playoff games? Hell, it was BECAUSE of Sanchez that you almost didn't make the playoffs.
The team was 0-3 and the season was just about done. he came in as a backup aftre the starter got hurt w/ the team at 0-3, he didn't face any real pressure to win until Decemer when they controlled their own desitny to get into the playoffs- how did that work out?
You are talking about ME being biased and throwing out sill stats?
Go watch those 3 playoff games and then tell me what you think. He was 12-15 but if not for 2 big drops would have been 14-15 w/ another TD and about 60+ more yds.
In SD his #s weren't good but he made 2-3 HUGE plays that helped us win the game. W/o those plays we don't win.
So you can criticize him in a win b/c he didn't have enough yards but when he has yards in a loss you have to check when he got those yards? :lol2:
Shonn Greene and our D were the top reasons we made the run we did but Mark Sanchez was a major contributor. I don't think we make it that far w/ the 2008 version of Brett Favre that we had.
You fail to see where he stepped up? he played his best football of the season in the biggest games on the road. You don't have to have 350 yds passing and 3 TDs to have a good game.
The only bias statements are coming from yourself, b/c Henne had better #s as he was forced to throw b/c he was ineffective early in games and led them to big deficits you think he was really good in thoe games. Henne played his worst in those last 3 games, don't pay attention to those meaningless #s. He had chances to win all 3 and lost all 3(I know he left the Pitt game early but they would't have won that one either).
Really?
Lets look at the stats...
Last 5 Games
Henne
13NEW
22-21 29 52 335 55.8 29 2 1 80.2 1 -1 -1.0 0
14@JACW
14-10 21 29 220 72.4 25 0 1 79.7 4 1 0.3 1
15@TENL
27-24 (OT)29 46 349 63.0 57 1 3 66.3 2 11 5.5 0
16HOUL
27-20 35 55 322 63.6 35 1 1 78.0 1 10 10.0 0
17PITL
30-24 16 20 140 80.0 24 1 1 91.7 1 0 0.0 0
Completions Att Comp Pct TD Int QB rating
totals 130 202 64.3 5 7 79.18
Sanchez
12CARW
17-6 13 17 154 76.5 26 0 1 79.0 3 27 9.0 0
13@BUFW
19-13 7 15 104 46.7 45 1 0 92.1 1 8 8.0 0
14@TBW
26-3 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
15ATLL
10-7 18 32 226 56.3 65 1 3 49.7 3 7 2.3 0
16@INDW
29-15 12 19 106 63.2 16 0 0 78.0 2 0 0.0 0
17CINW
37-0 8 16 63 50.0 14 0 0 60.2 2 2 1.0 0
Totals Completions Att CompPct TD Int QB rating
68 99 68.6 2 4 71.8
So the numbers are pretty similar. How exactly did Sanchez step up? How did Henne step back?
Here is what i do notice though. I notice that Henne was let loose, free to throw it all over the place. Yes he made mistakes but you live and you learn (hopefully) while Sanchez was some what protected. We can both agree (or at least the logical NFL fans) that at the time Sanchez had weapons unlike Henne. So we will see what happens this year.
when you expand the games to make your QB look better that skews the #s.
Miami's 3 biggest games- @Ten, vs. Hou, vs. Pitt:
80-121, 811 yds, 3 TDs, 5 INTs, 76.1 rating, 0-3 record against 3 non playoff teams
NYJ's 3 biggest games: playoffs @ Cincy, @ SD, @ Indy
41-68, 539 yds, 4 TDs, 2 INTs, 92.7 rating, 2-1 record
Others have thrown out the numbers, and in the past ive jumped on the fact that our defense gave up 84 combined points during the last 3 games(and we were still within a field goal/touchdown of tieing or winning those games), as well as debating the "no pressure" thing while driving a team in a 3 game hole to playoff contention.
So ill just ask this: instead of the 1st ranked defense the Jets were the 22nd, and you lost Thomas Jones and Alan Faneca halfway through the season as well, during that time, as Nick Mangold playing injured or out of games: does Mark Sanchez win 5 games last year?
Keep those factors in mind, for a second question ill ask this: lets say the jets don't trade for Edwards, and Cotchery is a rookie: does Mark Sanchez win 2 games?
Trying to figure out how to ask about having to start 2 rookie corners seemed like to much of a hassle, but you get the jist.
Despite all those factors mentioned above(and many more), Henne was 7-6 as a starter, while Sanchez was 8-7. Very compairable, but you have to admit that Henne and the phins would have stood a damn good chance against the Colts and Bengals second/third stringers.
We lost leon washington(the only pass receiving back we had) and kris Jenkins for most of the year.
Thomas Jones was hurt and terrible the last month including the playoffs and last I checked w/ Jones effective and w/o leon he led us to the AFC Championship Game.