most overlooked thing of the Hartline deal

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  1. fanfin

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    I disagree, most overlooked thing is that everyone on this board wants to sign Hartline to a fat chunk of change for catching 1 TD pass last year.. He can get as much junk yards as possible but his 1 literally 1 TD catch last year has somehow earned him 4-8mill per year... All that his performance told me last season is that he could not get separation... Even in M2M he could not beat the jam.. Watch his film people..
     
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    What one TD tells me is that he is not a true number 1, and that he would be a very very good number 2. If we had a megaton, Johnson, Wayne type number 1, then they would be double teamed and Hartline would be freed up. If he signed elsewhere, then he would be missed more than most people realise.
     
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    yes to Buff
     
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    I think peyton's agent is the real shark.
     
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    hey man u got my vote keep it up and u might go all the way
     
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    hartline was our number one, playing in new offense, with new rookie. what he accomplished this year after injury when he was an afterthought is unreal. The team needs help at WR, but if we get Wallace, you can put down the need to draft 2 WR's and drafting one in round one, because WR is deep and lots of WR are overlooked. And I still cant figure out what makes Kennan Allen better than someone like Terrence Williams or Robert Woods or even someone like Aarron Dobson who has Gadsden hands.

    So salivate all day but your all drooling over so called big names built on hype and a guy who currently could not run a 40 a couple weeks ago. Not saying he is not a good WR, just asking why he is better than others. Its about value.
     
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    it is noteworthy he didn't practice until the last week of training camp, zero OTAs or Mini Camp
     
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    With a true number 1 across from him the field will open up and he should have a strong year. Tannehill and Hartline have chemistry and it would be good to keep that
     
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    or that he busted his butt and got 1000 yards
     
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    The most overlooked thing about Hartline is that if he missed the Arizona game, absolutely no team would want him!!! Take away that game and he has 830 yds and 0 TDs for the season. He's a below average #2 WR that doesn't get yards after catch, break tackles, catch 50/50 balls, or track balls through the air. That's why he has 3TDs in the last 3 full seasons. I like Hartline as a person but for 6+ million a year??? You gotta be kidding me. He doesn't change the scoreboard and needs to hit the road. Sign Wallace, draft Patterson at #12, then draft Allen, Bailey, or Swope in the 2nd and we're set!!!
     
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    Wallace and Keenan Allen #12 and I'm in. Keenan Allen is not getting past Minnesota
     
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    I would argue that the most overlooked thing is that there is no deal yet.
     
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    I'm so tired of this argument..... Why would you take that game away? Was he not out there playing? Did he trip fall and accidentally put up those stats that day???
     
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    A very good number 2? AGAIN, how many playoff teams would Hartline start at the 2 for last season? Hell. there's teams that didn't go to the playoffs that he wouldn't be the number 2 for.

    Hartline is a 3 at best.
     
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    The most overlooked thing is that Hartline owes Ryan Tannehill a big fat, juicy , long wet kiss for his new contract. The biggest numbers he's ever put up, in the last year of his contract...wow !
     
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    It's more than just last season
    Hartline has NO ability to score points
    The Dolphins have scored 802 pts going back 42 games Hartline accounts for 12 of those points (.014%)

    1/10 of 1%....SUCKS AT ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY
     
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    You contradict yourself without even knowing it. How the hell do you gain over 1,000 yards against the league's best corners and double teams, if you can't get separation? Do you see how that works? No, because it doesn't make sense. Obviously he did create enough room to gain that many yards. He may not have been a touchdown machine, but I'll go for the cliche and say that he will benefit tremendously as a #2 with a true #1 opposite to him and score at least 4 next season.
     
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    Lol yet another fan stating the same load of BS. Ya think if you take away a man's CAREER best game, that his stats would look slightly different? Good one Sherlock.
     
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    I honestly think that while Hartline has his limitations, he could turn into a SOLID #2 option if we put a speedster like Wallace on the other side of the field. No, he's not a guy who can carry the team and cause matchup problems on his own, but he is an excellent route runner, has great hands, and is flexible enough to move around the LOS.
     
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    He didn't do a damn thing when Marshall was here. How can you say that??
     
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    1. he got 25% of his yards in the arizona game, against william gay who recently got cut.
    2. any decent corners he faced completely locked him down. See antonio cromartie, corteland finnegan, and richard sherman
    3. He is not a big enough threat to receive any double teams, which is part of the reason why the offense struggled.
     
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    Who was our quarterback at that time? Oh yeah...
     
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    the dude can't break a tackle or stay up right since he got into the league..
     
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    He led the team in receiving touchdown's his rookie season, albeit with 3. Catching 30 receptions with 3 scores is not bad by any means. In his 2nd season, he only played 12 games. His targets nearly doubled this past season compared to his previous, and was simply utilized more. This kind of tends to happen when you start an entire season as your quarterback's #1 option for the first time. That argument has grown tired. :rolleyes2:
     
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    Is that really the best counter argument you can come up with? Pathetic...
     
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    Funny you should say that the argument has grown tired when you throw out pathetic #'s and excuses then try to justify why a mediocre WR is better than he really is.
     
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    It would be better than it is in a scenario with Wallace lined up opposite of Hartline. You know I wasn't talking about Hartline entering the year as the #1 again, yet you come up with no logical counter to the statement I said above, actually it wasn't a counter at all lol. Not surprising in the least. I'm just here for friendly/logical debate, come at me. :)
     
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    For everyone talking about touchdowns I just read a stat that while here Welker had a total of 3 touchdown......... How'd that one work out for the Patriots? I also remember at least 3-4 Tds that THill just flat out missed him.
     
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    We need a better #2. Hartline is a guy who had a good rookie contract/production, now you let him go and draft somebody with more potential.
    You don't overpay for this guy, which imho, is anything above 3 mil/yr.
    I just don't see what this guy has done, that any other promising rookie can't do after 2-3 years.
    Is anybody here really going to miss Hartline? Yeah he has some nice acrobatic sideline catches. Is that worth 6 mil? Or a starting #2?
    There is no upside to Hartline imho, let this guy go and actually upgrade our WR's.
     
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    The point is you don't sign a bum that has had 1 good game in a 4 year career. He was completely locked down by good corners his entire career. He doesn't win games for this team. You don't give big contracts to guys like that!!! You can take a lot of career best games away from good receivers and their stats would still be very good because they consistently have good games. Hartline consistently is a non-factor and his career stats prove it.
     
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    If your argument is illogical in the first place, how do you expect me to provide a logical counter? Hartline is an average WR at best, it doesn't matter who's lined up next to him. I'm not sure how you don't get that.

    ---------- Post added at 10:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:27 AM ----------

    Bingo.
     
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    Lol nice quote at the end, but make no mistake, I am against signing him anywhere north of $6m. I would try to sign him up for $4.5m per, but my top dollar would be around 5 for him. I said this earlier that average receivers have fluke fantasy games like Dallas' Alec Ogletree and go for 120 yards, but you never see an average receiver post up numbers north of 250 and break franchise records.
     
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    ---------- Post added at 10:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:27 AM ----------

    There can be two logical sides of a scenario like this, and I am not discounting yours. I am simply stating if Hartline does not receive the attention of the league's best corners, you wouldn't think he would see the end zone more? It's quite simply, really.
     
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    See but that changes the argument though. You post all these condescending comments and then omit that you'd only pay him a couple million/yr less than what he's going to make.
     
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    You just came off to me that you were in favor of signing him to a bare minimum contract of 2-3m which would be completely out of question. Your arguments all point to you flat out not wanting him in Miami, which I am conflicting with my own opinion against that scenario.
     
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    We know about the injury past and we know that he can get some yardage, but no TD's. This means he can get yards in the open field, but can't get the needed seperation near the goal. He's the clear definition of a reliable #2 guy. A true #1 guy will hopefully make him even better, but you pay him as a good (not elite) #2 WR. The market should be clear on this what most #2 guys get. Offer only what makes sense for a #2 guy and go get a #1 and a TE that can be a threat.
     
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    All I'm trying to say is that he's not worth the dough we're probably going to give him. If we signed him to 4-5 mil that's fine but 6-6.5 is a joke.
     
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    Not in today's NFL it is not.

    Hartline is not deserving of 6 million a year. But in 2013 when players at certain positions get overpaid all the damn time, and Hartline plays a position that is always overpaid, there is gonna be some dafuq contracts given to those positions.
     
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    Hartline is a good receiver that would benefit greatly by having more talent around him. Does he have elite speed or get big separation? No... But he plays the sideline as good as anyone in the league, is a chain mover, is pretty strong with good hands, and is an above average route runner aka not a dumbass. He also has a good rapport with Tannehill, our future, that can't be denied.

    Oh, lets not forget that he had surgery last off season and came into the season as cold as a player could due to missing all/most of the OTAs/Training Camp!

    Umm... Feel free to look up the depth charts. I'll list them: Bengals,Texans, Vikings, Redskins, 49ers are all teams that I believe Hartline would start for as the #2 WR. None of those teams have a #2 WR (not including TE as the second receiving option in this example) that came close to 1k yards or the reception total. I'll also hesitantly throw the Seahawks in there as I think Hartline is pretty close to Tate.

    Hartline played BIG this year. He faced all kinds of odds. New playbook, new qb, new everything... And he did it with little to no offseason to prepare physically. Sign him up please, I'd even be willing to pay a little extra to get him to not test FA...
     

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