*** official day one nfl draft discussion/"game" thread ***

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  1. FearTheBeard

    FearTheBeard FearTheBurke

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    Not particularly happy with this pick. Hard to get mad about Foster with everyone passing on him and not being privy to his medical/off-field. Think we should be able to fill guard spots without burning 1st round picks. But I also didn't view DE as the most pressing need like many on the board. It sounds like we had trade offers, and if we could've grabbed another 3rd it would've been a no brainer for me. Our run defense is our biggest weakness, and Harris doesn't do anything as an edge setter. He didn't test great either. I would've been much happier moving down and grabbing Willis and a 3rd ++.

    Harris is a high floor guy with a high upside pass rushing ability, and you can never have enough pass rushers. But year 1 he's a situational guy that doesn't help us on the edge. Short-term this doesn't move the needle, and I want the needle moved more in the 1st round. It's not a horrible pick, but short-term it just isn't the best fit. He's not going to be a bad football player though and he's the heir to Cam Wake. I'll have to watch him in more detail, but that's the reports I've read.

    And what the hell are you paying Andre Branch $9M a year for? Basically getting solid starter money to play early downs where he's a mediocre run defender. You pay that money to Warford and this offseason looks a lot better.
     
  2. JamesBW43

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    9 spots in the first for a late 3rd and 7th? Can't say I agree. Especially how that first round played out.
     
  3. Trifecta Nation

    Trifecta Nation Rookie

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    Damn, you hear the UCLA kid? Glad we didn't take him, he's a hot head! :D
     
  4. Phinatic8u

    Phinatic8u Adam ****ing Gase

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    Still plenty of good LB prospects left.

    Foster
    Cunningham
    McMillan
     
  5. bradmcnutt13

    bradmcnutt13 A True Fan

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    I think the criticism has a lot to do with drafting a guy that might not even start while we have a few starter spots open at other positions. Not to mention at least one other starter spot who's injury history is more concerning than Wake's.
     
  6. Dogbone34

    Dogbone34 cowboy surfer

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    It's not the worse pick but the draft seems too big for Chris Grier. Take the trade get the 3rd rounder you pissed away in 16.
     
  7. Michael Scott

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    Foster, Watt, Bowser, Cunningham. Does one fall? Probably not.

    Johnson or Tankersely.
     
  8. cltchperf

    cltchperf Pro Bowler

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    DE is a need. Wake is 35, and if he gets hurt, the fins won't have a pass rush. The guy they picked up in FA is decent, but they needed to get an edge rusher to be opposite of Wake or groom to take Wake's spot
     
  9. Kornnut

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    When Wake went down 2 seasons ago the pass rush was nonexistent. If this guy lives up to his potential we won't have that problem. Not in the drug program or an injury history. I'll take that.
     
  10. Danny

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    Funny that the people asking if Harris will start don't understand that a LB would probably be a two down player for us depending on who he is. If Harris sacks the QB at the right time then who cares how many snaps he got. A sack is a bigger play than a tackle for a 5 yard gain

    Ozzy rules!!
     
  11. Sons Of Shula

    Sons Of Shula not a dull boy Super Donator Finheaven VIP Donator

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    We rarely got offenses into 3rd own situations last year b/c we couldn't stop the run or get the off the field and gave up so many 1st downs on 1st and 2nd down. So how the **** does a a first rd pick do us any good when spent on a 3rd down pass specialist? Save your breath. It doesn't, awful pick. Especially with all the starter talent that was still on the board.
     
  12. Sherif

    Sherif Pro Bowler

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    Yes, after reading the Mondo article, I called the pick to be Charles Harris. We will need to compare his game to McKinley and Foster. Sitting at 22 was watching the draft on NFL network and they said there have been lots of calls to move up.
     
  13. eomdtbtr

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    Jesus anyone else see Takk after getting drafted? I understand that these are passionate alpha males, emotions are running high, he's fulfilled this promise to his grandma and she's since passed......but you get drafted and on national tv shout into a microphone held by Deon Sanders, drop an f-bomb, then shout "whatever, fine me late!"

    What a ****ing head case.
     
  14. VBCheeseGrater

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    Pick makes sense. Cant count the number of posts saying we need a Wake successor, there you go. Grier is drafring for the long haul...showed that last year too.

    Love watching Goodell soak up the boos...He's starting to thrive on them, like mana from heaven.
     
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    Yeah that was not a good look
     
  16. Sirspud

    Sirspud Pro Bowler

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    If we get a solid sounding LB somewhere in the midrounds I'll be happy. A lot of good LB's are drafted there. A lot of bad ones are drafted in the first round too.
     
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    Taco to the 'boys and the Browns trade back into the round taking the Packers spot.
     
  18. rickd13

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    Who cares if he starts right away if he turns into a Dwight Freeney type pass rusher. He is going to be on the field a lot in his rookie year as a situational pass rusher and, god forbid, if Wake gets hurt, he will be the only player left on their roster with any pure pass rush talent.
     
  19. J. David Wannyheimer

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    How can you say Harris is a mediocre football player? He's never played a down in the NFL and was clearly a very effective edge rusher in college.
     
  20. DuderinoN703

    DuderinoN703 We? What the **** we? Finheaven VIP Donator

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    If Miami had the chance to get a 3rd rd pick by trading back, I would've taken that deal. I wonder if we'll ever know the specifics of the 2 offers Grier said they received.
     
  21. bradmcnutt13

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    I'm with you. A situational pass rusher when we're hardly in that situation.
     
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    Would've preferred Foster - we won't have a shot at that kind of LB prospect again for a while....

    Harris will be a double digit sack player for us by year 2 or 3
     
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    Harris has a pass rush arsenal. He can bend, spin, swim and club/cut. Can't teach all that. His run defense is an entirely different story and is what has me worried. But fortunately he has double digit sack potential with all those moves. Dwight Freeneyesq, if you ask me.
     
  24. Albert Romano

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    Well we were at 22 so have to think the offers were better but will never know. I just would have liked the extra pick considering the status of the roster and the difference in players to move down. I mean was there really that big of a difference in players to move down some?
     
  25. Sirspud

    Sirspud Pro Bowler

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    Not disappointed we passed on Foster. I was excited to see a guy ranked that high at LB still available for our pick. Then when I found out who it was I wouldn't have been able to stand if they had picked him. For one I am absolutely sick of drafting medical cases highly. We have so little depth as an organization still we can't afford to not have an impact from a first rounder. A rookie contract goes really quick when a player spends the first couple years injured. I don't care what the story was with the attitude problems are. Guys who have their heads on straight don't get kicked out of the combine.
     
  26. Avigatorx

    Avigatorx Sec. 107 Row 2

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    Just another guy that can't get to (Insert QB name here) in 1.5 seconds before he hits (Insert WR/TE/RB name here) on a slant route because we can't cover anyone.
     
  27. gregorygrant83

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    People need to remember we're not drafting players based on who takes the field first in September of 2017. A 1st round pick is about who do you think is going to have the best overall impact on your team over the course of the next five years, not who fills a need today.
     
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  28. Sirspud

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    I know he wasn't a draft pick but Cam Wake didn't start his first season with us. Frankly I don't even know why they signed him considering we had Jason Taylor and Joey Porter.
     
  29. J. David Wannyheimer

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    Poor Njoku.

    That's gotta be crushing.
     
  30. Sirspud

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    Luckily only the Pats and Ravens figured that out against us last year. I'm honestly wondering about safety for the first 8 games so they don't take those simply slants to the house because our safeties besides Jones are backup in college level.
     
  31. Phinsguy

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    LOL....I know...he made Deion look like a sensible person.
     
  32. Kingdom Come

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    Freeny ran a 4.5 Harris ran 4.82

    Harris is undersized and really weak by NFL standards. 21 reps He is 3rd round talent. They were complete and utter idiots not to trade down and get some picks.
     
  33. Phinsguy

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    Dude is dropping like a rock for a reason.....they were saying it came out the shoulder is a bigger concern than earlier believed.......all these GMs/Front Offices passing on him means something is up.......they have the lowdown and we don't so really can't question passing on him.
     
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    Garrett, Peppers and Njoku on day one! With a ton of picks on day two and three. The Browns could end up with a very good draft. If they start day two by drafting Dalvin Cook people will go crazy.
     
  35. Aceofclubs

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    Well, ****. There goes Watt.
     
  36. Sirspud

    Sirspud Pro Bowler

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    And still without a QB.
     
  37. Mike13

    Mike13 I am a golden god

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    Thats a ****ing moronic thing to complain about
     
  38. Aceofclubs

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    And now the 49ers go and pull the trigger on Foster.

    Or Froster, according to Goodell
     
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    Meh....don't think he'll translate well to the NFL/speed needed at LB....he looks slow to get out of stance and lacks explosiveness from what I've seen.
     
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    2 1sts and 3 2nds put them in a really good spot to scoop up some much better prospects next year.
     

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