Olajuwon, Ewing, Riley selected as finalists for Hall of Fame

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BS. Nyjunc. Pure BS.

How can you judge "shots inside the arc" and then say that Jordan attacked more?

Those could be Jordan 18 foot turnaround jumpers. In fact..they probably were.

Wade ATTACKED the basket as in drove to the rim. Thus why he got the calls. This Wade argument is just plain stupid and more sour grapes and jealousy more than anything.

As for ZO..being a "choker"? That is equally as ridiculous. Was Curtis Martin a Choker? Is Laverneous Coles a Choker? Was freeman McNeil a CHoker? Mark Gastineu? marty Lyons? Joe Klecko? Kerry Rhodes? For that matter..is every single Jet player in history aside from the 1969 jets a choker?

That seems to be your arguement. Except of course..ZO has a RING. Just kiss it already, you know you want to.

 

[nyjunc]

Jet's fans are just upset they are playing in the stadium of the SB champs and don't have a stadium of their own.

Whether it's ours or not at least we sell the building out and that lame joke will be ending soon once the new Stadium is built, a Stadium the Giants BEGGED the Jets to partner w/ them for.

BS. Nyjunc. Pure BS.

How can you judge "shots inside the arc" and then say that Jordan attacked more?

Those could be Jordan 18 foot turnaround jumpers. In fact..they probably were.

Wade ATTACKED the basket as in drove to the rim. Thus why he got the calls. This Wade argument is just plain stupid and more sour grapes and jealousy more than anything.

As for ZO..being a "choker"? That is equally as ridiculous. Was Curtis Martin a Choker? Is Laverneous Coles a Choker? Was freeman McNeil a CHoker? Mark Gastineu? marty Lyons? Joe Klecko? Kerry Rhodes? For that matter..is every single Jet player in history aside from the 1969 jets a choker?

That seems to be your arguement. Except of course..ZO has a RING. Just kiss it already, you know you want to.

I didn't say Jordan attacked more but we can agree more fouls are called inside the arc than ooutside the arc, right? This is the great Michael Jordan who everyone complained he got all the calls yet here we are discussin another player who shot a similar amount of 3s and took 23 LESS shots yet he shot 27 MORE FTs. Isn't that a little odd?

I'd love to see the shot charts for the '98 and '06 Finals.

Now you are comparing football players to basketball players? in basketball Zo was the main guy on those Heat teams and he was surrounded w/ good talent. For the Jets how was it Freeman or gastineau's fault that Richard Todd threw 5 INTs in the '82 title game? How was it Curtis' fault that Doug Brien missed 2 makeable FGs? basketball is very different and you know that, Mourning was the centerpiece in college on very talented GU teams and he was the centerpiece in Miami(the first time) on very talented Heat teams and he couldn't manage a single FF in 4 years at georgetown(heck he was on a GU team that almsot became the 1st 1 seed to lose to a 16 seed as they beat Princeton by a point in '89).

Georgetown:

-1 seed in '89, lost to 2nd seeded duke in reg final.
-3 seed in '90, lost to 6th seeded Xavier in 2nd rd.
-8 seed in '91, lost to 1 seed UNLV
-6 seed in '92, lost to 3 seed FSU.

Could only lead his team to a 8 and 6 seed his last 2 years and lost to lower seeded teams as a high seed in his 1st 2 years.

NBA:

-3 years in Charlotte, won 1 series.
-5 seasons in Miami(before kidney ailment), lost in 1st rd 3 times('96 was to the great Bulls team so that's ok but '98 they were 55-27 and the Knicks 43-39 and they lost to the knicks, in '99 they were the top seed while the Knicks were the 8 seed and the Knicksbeat them).
- made ONE conf finals appearance(thanks to half the Knick team being suspended) and made oone other semifinal rd(beating the 42-40 Pistons) but then losing to the lower seeded Knicks AGAIN.

Zo has a ring b/c he rode Shaq and wade's coattails. Jason williams has a ring too as does Jason kapono, Earl Barron, Michale Doleac,...

Zo fled town when he thought he couldn't win in Miami then stole money from Toronto and the Nets then amazingly wanted back to Miami when they had a great team already in place. What a great player

 

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Whether it's ours or not at least we sell the building out and that lame joke will be ending soon once the new Stadium is built, a Stadium the Giants BEGGED the Jets to partner w/ them for.



I didn't say Jordan attacked more but we can agree more fouls are called inside the arc than ooutside the arc, right? This is the great Michael Jordan who everyone complained he got all the calls yet here we are discussin another player who shot a similar amount of 3s and took 23 LESS shots yet he shot 27 MORE FTs. Isn't that a little odd?

I'd love to see the shot charts for the '98 and '06 Finals.

Now you are comparing football players to basketball players? in basketball Zo was the main guy on those Heat teams and he was surrounded w/ good talent. For the Jets how was it Freeman or gastineau's fault that Richard Todd threw 5 INTs in the '82 title game? How was it Curtis' fault that Doug Brien missed 2 makeable FGs? basketball is very different and you know that, Mourning was the centerpiece in college on very talented GU teams and he was the centerpiece in Miami(the first time) on very talented Heat teams and he couldn't manage a single FF in 4 years at georgetown(heck he was on a GU team that almsot became the 1st 1 seed to lose to a 16 seed as they beat Princeton by a point in '89).

Georgetown:

-1 seed in '89, lost to 2nd seeded duke in reg final.
-3 seed in '90, lost to 6th seeded Xavier in 2nd rd.
-8 seed in '91, lost to 1 seed UNLV
-6 seed in '92, lost to 3 seed FSU.

Could only lead his team to a 8 and 6 seed his last 2 years and lost to lower seeded teams as a high seed in his 1st 2 years.

NBA:

-3 years in Charlotte, won 1 series.
-5 seasons in Miami(before kidney ailment), lost in 1st rd 3 times('96 was to the great Bulls team so that's ok but '98 they were 55-27 and the Knicks 43-39 and they lost to the knicks, in '99 they were the top seed while the Knicks were the 8 seed and the Knicksbeat them).
- made ONE conf finals appearance(thanks to half the Knick team being suspended) and made oone other semifinal rd(beating the 42-40 Pistons) but then losing to the lower seeded Knicks AGAIN.

Zo has a ring b/c he rode Shaq and wade's coattails. Jason williams has a ring too as does Jason kapono, Earl Barron, Michale Doleac,...

Zo fled town when he thought he couldn't win in Miami then stole money from Toronto and the Nets then amazingly wanted back to Miami when they had a great team already in place. What a great player

I can play that game ad nauseum as well nyjunc.

In fact...The famous Allan Houston shot should have never happened. On that possesion..Latrell Sprewell clearly lost the ball out of bounds and they said that Terry Porter touched it when he didn't.

SO history changed on that bad call. They make the right call. We win that series and likely make the finals.

All I am saying is that many other things (such as what has happened to your jets) happened during those years that prevented ZO from winning.

Wether it was a injury to Tim Hardaway (kinda important, don't ya think?) Or a bad call such as the Allan Houston shot...etc...

I still believe that those Heat teams were better...but you can;t poo poo the talent level on those Knick teams.

They had serviceable PG's. Then they had great perimeter play from Sprewell/Houston. LJ/Oakley..and Ewing to top it off.

Those last two losses, you can absolutely say that the Knicks had more talent as well. Which would you take? Hardaway/Lenard/Mashburn/Brown/ZO or Childs/Sprewell/Houston/LJ/Ewing?

When you are so evenly matched...the little things (like a bad call) can screw you.

 

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So now one call changes everything? They were a 1 seed playing an 8 seed, it shouoldn't have come down to 1 shot. Big time players step up and carry their teams to to the next round, Zo never did that.

 

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So now one call changes everything? They were a 1 seed playing an 8 seed, it shouoldn't have come down to 1 shot. Big time players step up and carry their teams to to the next round, Zo never did that.

That #8 seed was really a #2 seed. Injuries made them a #8 seed. That Knick team made the finals.

 

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That Knick team made the Finals b/c they beat the top seed then had a gimme 2nd rd series. They weren't that good. They hadn't been to the conf finals since 1994, Miami was better and should have beaten them.

 

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That Knick team made the Finals b/c they beat the top seed then had a gimme 2nd rd series. They weren't that good. They hadn't been to the conf finals since 1994, Miami was better and should have beaten them.

Dude. They made the finals. That is evidence enough that they were damn good.

 

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Dude. They made the finals. That is evidence enough that they were damn good.

They also got humiliated in the Finals so that proevs they weren't damn good. The East stunk that year, they beat the top seed then had a joke of a 2nd rd series before beating another decent team in Indiana. Miami was better and should have beaten them. If Zo was as good as you say he would have made sure they beat the Knicks especially that year as Ewing was not a top C anymore.

Here are some great quotes from an SI article from '99:

The playoff series between the Miami Heat and New York Knicks boils down to Alonzo Mourning vs. his multiple demons.

Mourning must figure a way to conquer them all: playoff pressure, fourth-quarter fadeouts, a short fuse and the Knicks themselves.

But elimination of the Heat by the hated Knicks would reinforce Mourning's reputation for folding under pressure.

Despite this year's achievements, Mourning couldn't shake a tendency to disappear late in close games.

The last time the Knicks played in Miami, Mourning had 27 points through three quarters, then had two points and no rebounds in the fourth quarter. The Knicks rallied from a 20-point deficit to win, and their locker room later filled with laughter when Johnson staggered across the shower floor in an impersonation of Mourning wilting under the pressure.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/1999/playoffs/eastern/news/1999/05/06/knicks_heat/

 

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More BS.

SI never saw a Heat game from those days it seems.

Any heat fan would tell you that the 4th quarter was Tim Hardaway time. he had his worst game of that series in that game. Didn't score a point in the second half. Zo led the team with 21 points in 26 minutes.


From that same article...we see this:

Boston Celtics legend Bill Russell recently called Mourning the best active center in the NBA.

No comment on that Nyjunc? Of course not.


Again. One bad call cost the heat that series. If that Ref had not made a bad call, the heat wins that series and we are not having this conversation.

 

[nyjunc]

More BS.

SI never saw a Heat game from those days it seems.

Any heat fan would tell you that the 4th quarter was Tim Hardaway time. he had his worst game of that series in that game. Didn't score a point in the second half. Zo led the team with 21 points in 26 minutes.


From that same article...we see this:



No comment on that Nyjunc? Of course not.


Again. One bad call cost the heat that series. If that Ref had not made a bad call, the heat wins that series and we are not having this conversation.

Tim Hardaway time? Then that's why Zo wasn't a big time player, big time players do not defer in crunch time especially when it didn't work for years.

Who cares what Russell says? Russell and Mourning developed a friendship, he had nothing to back up his ridiculous statement.

1 bad call is your excuse, why did it come down to 1 call? if Zo was so good a 1 vs. 8 matchup never should have come down to 1 bad call. What was the excuse when you lost in '98 and '00?

 

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Tim Hardaway time? Then that's why Zo wasn't a big time player, big time players do not defer in crunch time especially when it didn't work for years.

Who cares what Russell says? Russell and Mourning developed a friendship, he had nothing to back up his ridiculous statement.

1 bad call is your excuse, why did it come down to 1 call? if Zo was so good a 1 vs. 8 matchup never should have come down to 1 bad call. What was the excuse when you lost in '98 and '00?

In 1998 ZO was suspended for the deciding game. (payback time for the knicks) In 2000, the Heat lost again in the deciding game by 1 point (83-82) and ZO had 29 points and 13 rebounds.

When you lose deciding games by 1 point over and over..that is more about bad luck than anything else. Anybody that knows basketball knows that.

 

[nyjunc]

Alonzo shot 63% in the first 2 games, 50 in Game 3 then 39% and 42 % in games 4 & 5. Typical Alonzo.

 

[nyjunc]

In 1998 ZO was suspended for the deciding game. (payback time for the knicks) In 2000, the Heat lost again in the deciding game by 1 point (83-82) and ZO had 29 points and 13 rebounds.

When you lose deciding games by 1 point over and over..that is more about bad luck than anything else. Anybody that knows basketball knows that.

How come Jordan didn't have that bad luck against the Knicks? How come reggie Miller was able to get over the hump? big time players step up and carry their teams, Zo was NEVER able to do that.

 

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Alonzo shot 63% in the first 2 games, 50 in Game 3 then 39% and 42 % in games 4 & 5. Typical Alonzo.

which series is that?

29 and 13 on 12 of 20 shooting in Game 7, 2000..typical ZO.

 

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How come Jordan didn't have that bad luck against the Knicks? How come reggie Miller was able to get over the hump? big time players step up and carry their teams, Zo was NEVER able to do that.

Jordan? Why not bring Wilt Chamberlain into the conversation?


Can't compare guards that handle the ball to a Center that can't control his touches.

Want to compare him to somebody? compare him to SHAQ. SHAQ won when he got a couple of crappy guards in Kobe and Wade.