The next Cleveland QB'ing flash in the pan!
Pat Open To Trade Garoppolo
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So the 2nd rounder is from 2017? I assumed it was the pick they got from Arizona in the 2016 2nd round.
Their top selections from the 2012, 2013 and 2014 drafts aren't even on the team. Malcolm Brown was a stellar pick and getting Malcolm Butler as an UDFA is even more impressive. Outside of that, it's nothing to brag about. Even Gronk and Hernandez were more about circumstance than acuity, ie injuries and character concerns.
Personally, I think Belichek made all those trades to try and show he was more responsible for the Patriots success than he was given credit for. Not that he hasn't be credited with being a great coach but there isn't a person alive who when given the choice of Tom Brady as your QB or Belichek as your HC, wouldn't choose Brady without hesitation.
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If Sam Bradford can get you a first, then anything is possible
Only Rick Speilman is/was dumb enough to make that trade. They bailed the Eagles out of a bad situation and will pay for it now with what looks to be a top 14-15 pick.
That trade made Howie Roseman (Eagles GM) look brilliant when most people in the Philadelphia area had him pegged as in-over-his-head moron.
And that precedence gives New England every right to demand a first for Jimmy G.
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Never underestimate quarterback hungry GMs. They are willing to pay or trade anything for a quarterback that shows a pulse. There are teams out there that would gladly give a 1st for Jimmy G.
I'm not even talking about their success rate to be honest. It is pretty genius to sign a rookie to a 5 year deal, get 4 very quality years out of them for peanuts and then trade them away for picks in an attempt to do the same thing again.
Arizona is getting Jones for 8 million in a year where they aren't even in the playoffs. Now year 2 . . . they gotta cough up an Olivier Vernon contract and have no 2nd round pick to show for it. Meanwhile, with that 2nd round pick, New England traded down and drafted arguably the best player on their offensive line this year in Thuney and a productive WR in Malcolm Mitchell.
It's why they have ran **** for the last 15 years.
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I think coaching is a far bigger reason why they have had so much success for the last 15 years than their personnel management.
But nonetheless I agree with your point about the economics of their strategy.
But nonetheless I agree with your point about the economics of their strategy.
How good is Jimmy though? Considering that everyone knows that the Pats are a system that sorta props up the QBs....why would Jimmy be worth a 1st? Subtract his comfortable surroundings, how will he do? I am not sure I would be willing to surrender a 1st to find out. Then again, I am not the thirsty GM in need either.
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What would Brady get?
even if they don't draft and replace, Tom Brady as your QB is basically a guarantee for 11 wins
Yep . . . and they've also done that with Matt Cassell. And I'd be shocked if Jimmy G had to start all year they wouldn't have 11 wins.
When you can do that from a QB perspective, it means you are doing it right in other areas on the team.
But clearly their coaching staff is top notch.
I see this comment all the time, yet I've never had anyone actually explain what it means. If the Pats have some sort of magical QB friendly system, why hasn't every other team in the league copied it after a decade? It feels like an easy cop out to just say "oh its a SYSTEM" without any explanation. Certainly guys like Eric Mangini, Romeo Crennell, Bill O'Brien, etc, would have tried to implement it if it were so simple to do. (And BOB's QBs need all the propping up they can get this year)