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Replacements for X, Wilkins, Hunt, Berrios, Ogbah, Wilson in the draft

Pittsburgh is the team to watch. Because they pick just in front of Miami in both the 1st and 2nd rounds; and are rumored to looking at players Miami had been linked to by most people. JPJ and Mims in particular. Also Frazier and other 2nd round type OLinemen. They could in theory beat Miami to they player or players Miami had list as their number one target at both #21 and #55.

I'm not ruling out any DB or Edge type players at either pick in round one or two. Grier has bucked the public opinion several times when drafting. Last year most fans hoped for a TE and this year everyone seems to think it's going to be an olinman. With both Ramsey and Chubb having big contracts, Grier might decide to get ahead by selecting their replacement a year early? Something to keep in mind.
 
VAFinsfan72 said:
21. DB Terrion Arnold - Alabama - I think Mitchell and Wiggins have surpassed Arnold in the DB rankings and he might still be available here. If we don't have a good DB opposite Ramsey, then our defense is going to suck.

55. DT Braden Fiske - FSU - He was one of the best performing D-linemen at the combine and he had a good Senior Bowl.

156. OG Brandon Coleman - TCU - He had a very good combine. He has the size and athleticism to replace Hunt.

185. WR Malik Washington - Virginia - He had 111 receptions last year and he is a good return specialist. He could be a replacement for Berrios.

199. DE Myles Cole - Texas Tech - We have to address DE in the draft and Free Agency.

238. RB Tyrone Tracy - Purdue - Wilson might be a salary cap casualty and Mostert is frequently injured.
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I'm glad your not running the team
 
VAFinsfan72 said:
I would like to see a list of your replacements for those particular players who we coul
VAFinsfan72 said:
I would like to see a list of your replacements for those particular players who we could possibly draft.
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VAFinsfan72 said:
I would like to see a list of your replacements for those particular players who we could possibly draft.
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Let's see at 21 I'd take center from Oregon Jackson powers Johnson at 55 I'd taking Christian Haynes at 157 I'd take DT khristian boyd at 183 Curtis jacobs at 197 DE brennan Jackson and last pick I'm taking S Dominique Hampton.
 
Someone in an other thread said the Dolphins will go early Chiefs and say eff the defense. Build the O and rely on outscoring teams with shitty defense.

We don’t have resources to rebuild a balanced team this year… there may be something to that.
 
I understand CB is a premium position and I have no doubt Grier loves the pick ,but if we go defense I’d prefer a pass rusher.

If you have zero pressure it does not matter how good the secondary is. IMHO
 
GRYPHONK said:
That's exactly where I am at.

If JPJ is there, he's my pick regardles....
Unless you get a truly crazy offer of course. But an extra 2nd or 3rd won't do it fir me.

If JPJ is gone at 21, well trade away lol
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whoa, I love JPJ but an extra 2nd sounds great to me but of course that depends on how far down we'd have to trade....if we had all of our picks then staying at 21 could be the way to go but with no 3rd or 4th and all our needs, trading down could be the way to go.
 
Danny said:
whoa, I love JPJ but an extra 2nd sounds great to me but of course that depends on how far down we'd have to trade....if we had all of our picks then staying at 21 could be the way to go but with no 3rd or 4th and all our needs, trading down could be the way to go.
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I don't value picks beyond rd2 nearly as highly as some. I'm guessing they like the draft aspect and feel it's like opening Christmas presents but, historically, your chances of finding a productive, starting caliber player drop substantially after the second round.

1st round - about 50% of players drafted in the 1st round developed into solid NFL starters.

2nd round - about 33% of players drafted in the 2nd round developed into solid NFL starter. From here, it dropped by 50% per round.

3rd round - about 16%.

4th round - about 8%.

5th round - about 4-5%.

6th round - about 2%.

7th round - about 1-2%.

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Odds of becoming a quality player in the NFL - by draft round

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Mach2 said:
I don't value picks beyond rd2 nearly as highly as some. I'm guessing they like the draft aspect and feel it's like opening Christmas presents but, historically, your chances of finding a productive, starting caliber player drop substantially after the second round.

1st round - about 50% of players drafted in the 1st round developed into solid NFL starters.

2nd round - about 33% of players drafted in the 2nd round developed into solid NFL starter. From here, it dropped by 50% per round.

3rd round - about 16%.

4th round - about 8%.

5th round - about 4-5%.

6th round - about 2%.

7th round - about 1-2%.

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Odds of becoming a quality player in the NFL - by draft round

Odds of becoming a quality player in the NFL - by draft round
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I had read somewhere that after pick #20 in the 1st round, most of the best 1st round picks are gone and those later 1st round picks are in the same performance tier as 2nd round picks.

If this is true and we are just on the edge of the 20th pick, it may be a good idea to trade down. On the other hand, I imagine each draft is different enough that the 20th pick "limit" for the best players varies a bit.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. I have no idea what Grier will do, but whatever decision he makes, I hope it's a winner because I'm not a whiner - or a "Lemming". - LOL
 
Mach2 said:
I don't value picks beyond rd2 nearly as highly as some. I'm guessing they like the draft aspect and feel it's like opening Christmas presents but, historically, your chances of finding a productive, starting caliber player drop substantially after the second round.

1st round - about 50% of players drafted in the 1st round developed into solid NFL starters.

2nd round - about 33% of players drafted in the 2nd round developed into solid NFL starter. From here, it dropped by 50% per round.

3rd round - about 16%.

4th round - about 8%.

5th round - about 4-5%.

6th round - about 2%.

7th round - about 1-2%.

247sports.com

Odds of becoming a quality player in the NFL - by draft round

Odds of becoming a quality player in the NFL - by draft round
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So 2 2nd round picks are statistically better than 1 1st round
 
Ray R said:
I had read somewhere that after pick #20 in the 1st round, most of the best 1st round picks are gone and those later 1st round picks are in the same performance tier as 2nd round picks.

If this is true and we are just on the edge of the 20th pick, it may be a good idea to trade down. On the other hand, I imagine each draft is different enough that the 20th pick "limit" for the best players varies a bit.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. I have no idea what Grier will do, but whatever decision he makes, I hope it's a winner because I'm not a whiner - or a "Lemming". - LOL
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Go along with 90+% of that. I would suppose if there were a way to objectively plot pick by pick, which I can't imagine there would be, it would be a non linear, progressive decay type of curve.

One could make a case that it's actually "worse" than it appears.

Bad teams get the top picks so it should, in theory, be easier to supplant another, likely inferior, player, while the converse would be true for teams picking at the bottom of round one.
 
If finding average starters is the goal, then yes, the data points to that being true.

On the other hand, if you are looking for a "high impact" player where most measurables are in the top percentiles, the " creme de la creme" if you will, that's a different story.

Tough call as to what the Phins are better off doing here. It's fairly clear to me, though, that trading rd1 picks for 3rd and 4ths is not the wise thing to do.

I guess if you can move back a couple spots and pick up mid rounders in the process, that's fine as long as you have multiple guys rated similarly and you are confident that at least one will still be there.

But trading a rd1 for a 2+ lower rd picks is a fools game, at least historically.
 
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