Ryan Tannehill: The Ryan Leaf of the Decade?

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  1. phinmanniac

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    Ryan Tannehill is a large quarterback prospect whose draft stock has risen over the past few months. With an impressive combination of intelligence, size, strength and mobility, the former Texas A&M Aggie strikes similarity to the NFL's biggest draft bust ever—Ryan Leaf.

    Tannehill is considered the No. 3 quarterback in the 2012 NFL draft class behind Stanford's Andrew Luck and Baylor's lone Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III. Many experts project Tannehill to be drafted by the Miami Dolphins, who have the No. 8 pick overall.

    With only one full season as quarterback (he converted from wide receiver) at the college level, I honestly believe Tannehill will have an excruciating transition to the level of play in the NFL, just as Leaf did.

    Now, I can agree with the fact that it is way too early to say Ryan Tannehill will be a bust, but I just see Ryan Leaf in Tannehill (except Tannehill is and will always be more mature than Leaf). Tannehill showed inconsistency throughout the 2011 season against ranked Big 12 teams. In the loss against No. 3 Oklahoma State, Tannehill went 28-for-47, throwing for 309 yards, two touchdowns and three costly picks. The next week against No. 5 Arkansas, Tannehill once again struggled, throwing 25-for-35 for 247 yards and a pick.

    Oklahoma State's defense finished 113th in passing yards allowed (out of 120 FBS teams) and Arkansas finished in 32nd. Tannehill struggled against Texas and Texas Tech last season also, and they ranked 49th and 47th respectively.

    With Tannehill's struggles against a relatively weak Big 12, how in the world can he excel in the NFL? Ryan Leaf was the quarterback for the Washington State Cougars. Leaf's 1997 Cougars played in a pretty decent Pac-10. They beat a tough UCLA team early in the year and went on to beat No. 23 USC, No. 20 Arizona State and No. 17 Washington before losing to No. 1 Michigan in the Rose Bowl.

    Unlike Tannehill's performance last year, Leaf did not struggle in the 1997 season. Leaf was a force in each game, averaging over 330 yards passing and 2.8 touchdowns with 0.9 interceptions per game. Leaf put up video-game numbers while Tannehill averaged 288 yards per game with 2.2 touchdowns and 1.1 interceptions in 2011. Tannehill also had a much easier schedule than Leaf did last year.

    I'm just giving out an opinion that I don't believe Tannehill will be what these experts/fans believe he will be. It's the same old story...mobile quarterback, great size, intelligent and huge upside. Well, I’m just pointing out that what they are saying about Tannehill is eerily similar to Leaf, and we all know what happened to Leaf in the NFL. Like the NFL scouts said above, they both are two naturally-gifted athletes who are mobile, have great size and good accuracy.

    As the general manager for the Dolphins or any team, I wouldn't draft Tannehill. He is not going to be able to transition into the NFL due to his lack of experience and his struggles against decent to top teams at the college level. Address other needs, teams of the NFL; do not draft the Ryan Leaf of this decade.



    Full article: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1157897-ryan-tannehill-the-ryan-leaf-of-the-decade
     
  2. Miamifinz

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    Perhaps there are some similarities but there's one major difference. One had the weight of a franchise on his shoulders, and the other one does not. We've had 16 Qbs since Marino, we don't expect Tannehill to become some legendary hall of famer. If we ease him into this and coach him up, he will have success. If we throw him into the lion's den, I'm worried.
     
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    If Tannehill is the new Ryan Leaf, what does that make RG3?
     
  4. Mage_Phin

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    lol bleacher report
     
  5. Ryan1973

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    Actually you couldn't be more wrong. Tannehill has all the pressure in the world being drafted #8 overall by a team desperate for a franchise QB. Either he becomes a franchise QB or he becomes a bust. There is no in between on this one. You don't draft a QB at #8 to be just decent or slighty above average. You can draft that type of guy in the later rounds.
     
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    This kid is not Ryan Leaf..
     
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    You can tell Tannehill knows his role based on his post draft stuff. He wants to compete, but he knows that he's not going to jump right in. Saying that there's as much pressure on Tannehill as Leaf would be ridiculous.
     
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    RG3 has Ryan Leaf all over him.
     
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    67 posts! awesome dude! who will remember you when the rubber meets the road?
    answer: no one
     
  10. MiamiCalifornia

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    LOL @ OP

    Man, this crap never gets old! Oh, wait...
     
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    Everyone acts like this kid was a WR first. He came out of high school as a 3-4 star rated QB. #22 in the country by Scout. He played WR at A&M at first because of some politics. Politics that Sherman has said were a mistake, and that Tannehill said he fought. He was kept there because he was very talented at WR and Sherman believed he could be drafted there, while still letting Johnson grow and develop and also get drafted. Just because Tannehill didn't start doesn't mean he wasnt studying as a QB. Even at WR he was still their backup QB. He still went to the QB meetings. He still threw some in practices ,and threw with his WR's after practice. If he had had another year to start at A&M we would have missed on him by 5 picks this year.

    He is not ready now. He will need time to figure out the speed of the NFL, but a completion rating of 61% with all those drops is impressive. 42 Td's and 21 Int's is a pretty impressive stat for only 19starts. Would obviously like to see hose INT numbers go down, but since watching his film, it appears that not every INT was his fault at all. He had WR's running bad routes, dropping the ball, deflecting the ball,etc. He is a gamer, and a competitor. I would not bet against him. Especially since now he has something to prove to all the doubters. Nothing is more exciting to watch on a football field than a talented player out to prove something.

    Will he be the next Dan Marino? Doubtful, but I sure hope so. Will he become a franchise QB? Probably, but I am willing to be patient and see. Will he be the next Ryan Leaf? No. He is to mature, and to competitive to let that happen to himself. If anything if he fails at QB like leaf, then we just drafted a very talented WR, I dont think that this pick will be a waste no matter what happens.
     
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    I should rephrase it. When you draft a QB in the top 10, that QB needs to turn out to be a franchise QB. If he ends up being anything but that, then he was a bust. Its black and white. Its not like the Dolphins took Tannehill late in the first round or second round where he gets more slack. Its all about where you were drafted at and how you perform in relation to that. Thats the reality of it.
     
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    Exactly my thoughts too..

    SMH
     
  14. marlinfan

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    Exactly.

    You can work with a character guy with upside like Tannehill and develop him. Leaf was a trainwreck from day one that coasted on his college accomplishements.
     
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    Ryan Leaf has serious psychological issues. That's the main reason he failed. By all accounts, Tannehill has a great head on his shoulders and is a very hard-working and devoted guy. He may fail, but it certainly won't be for the same reason Leaf failed.
     
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    Rightttttt............ Like the Miami fan base won't lynch Ross and Ireland if T-Hill turns out to be a bust!!

    Then on the flip side, if Ross and Co. didn't take Tannehill last night, you'd have a media/fan base that would be up in arms for not getting "the future franchise QB"

    Either way, this is a Front Office that has gone "all-in" on Tannehill. If they want to be a part of this organization in years to come, this better work out.
     
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    no, no, no, no NOOOOOOO!!!!!!

    as much as i am dissapointed in the tannehill pick, he is no way, no how in the same breath as ryan leaf.

    leaf's talent wasnt the issue. the guy had talent to burn. he was an AWFUL person who was selfish and angry and immature and probably had a lot of other bad personal issues we didnt know he had then.

    he is now a fugitive on the run from justice on two fellony warrents, burglary and drug charges. instead of being in the golden era of his nfl career with big wins and maybe super bowls appearances and wealth under his belt, he is a drug addicted fellon who will be enjoying a prison cell for many years with long memories of fug ups instead of great memories of a football career, family and wealth and a bright, happy future. he was a bad guy who threw his talent, career and future and family away.

    TANNEHILL is a great kid. dedicated to the game and his craft and being a, humble team first player. if he fails it will be because he didnt get enough time to hone his craft in college and rushed out to soon on a talent void team and killing any growth he may or may not have had, not for a bad attitude and being a selfish bung hole with anger management issues.

    big, big difference. RT is the polar opposite of ryan leaf.
     
  18. marlinfan

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    And you know what? I'm OK with the pick. Time to take a chance. We've had an advantage with Sherman having the inside track on Tannehill. I'll take the leap of faith.
     
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    They fail to mention the 70 drops by his receivers. Tannehill has zero character concerns and his offensive coordinator in Miami will be his old head coach at A&M. Huge difference. Plus Leaf was a dink to begin with. Right out of the gates he believed his own hype and yet he couldn't get out of his own way. Mentally weak and physically overrated. If Tannehill gets a year to mature and can improve his accuracy a bit than Miami may have walked away with a steal in the draft rather than a preconceived bust. I'm willing to give the kid time it can't hurt.
     
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    There's no comparison here.
     
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    Terrible comparison to Leaf and just wrong on so many counts.
     
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    I'm not even a Tannehill fan, but the Ryan Leaf comparisons are ridiculous and need to stop. Last time I checked, Tannehill isn't a drug addict who couldn't care less about playing football, and is absolutely hated by his teammates for being a giant douche. Ryan Leaf is about to spend a long time in prison, when Tannehill sinks that low, then you can start making this comparison.
     
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    way to early to comapre him to leaf. Two different people and lifestyles
     
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    I agree that the difference between Leaf and Tannehill is night and day and the reason is simple, CHARACTER. Tannehill is not a bad kid. He is, by all accounts, very smart, mature, and stable. He loves football. Even before the '98 draft there were major concerns about Ryan Leaf's character, his passion for the game, his maturity, etc. Big difference.

    Now, it's possible that Tannehill turns out to be a huge bust, but he won't be another Ryan Leaf.
     
  25. Miamifinz

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    Obviously the fans will be mad if Tannehill is a bust - but Leaf and Manning were supposed to be the next big thing. Come in and be star players, just like RGIII and Andrew Luck are being hyped up to be. Tannehill doesn't need to be a superstar. If we can get Joe Flacco, or Ben Roethlisberger type numbers from him, it will have already been the best thing we've had in a very long time. Joe Philbin will live and die by this guy, but my point is the amount of pressure on Leaf vs Tannehill is not even close.
     
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    Steal of the draft? hmmm.... It was a bad pick in terms where we drafted him. No one can't sugar coat it. It's what it is! Hopefully, this calculated gamble will eventually pay off. I'll be rooting for Tannehill nevertheless.
     
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    Tannehill was not took before manning lol he was took before weeden
     
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    But were those psychological issues apparent when he was drafted, or did they only come out later? And might we also be saying the same about Tannehill down the road?
     
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    they both have the first name Ryan...the comparison ends there
     
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    Every top QB drafted should feel this way. Luck has pressure. Griffin has pressure. Tannehill has pressure. It's always been that way.
     
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    :lol2: :lol2::lol2::lol2:
     
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    I'm not sure why you judge people by the amount of posts they've made, but that's the most ridiculous argument you could have made. Why not just call him a "noob" and be done with it? :rolleyes2:
     
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    Give the dude a chance, man. I see a Aaron Rodgers in him. Cannon armed, decent speed and a WC offense.
     
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    Decent Speed? He ran a 4.6 coming off a foot injury. I think so many people are caught up with RG3 running a 4.4, but a QB like Tannehill being running a 4.6 is sick speed in my opinion.
     
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    Maturity issues are what did it in for Leaf. I don't think we have to worry about that with Tannehill. I just hope we don't start him too soon.
     
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    My brother was a freshman at Wazzu the year after Leaf was drafted. And much as he was loved for what he did for WSU getting them to the Rose bowl. He was hated just as much for his off the field stuff in the Pullman community.
     
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    I get that. But more than likely, Luck and Griffin will live up to their draft status and become franchise QB's and start from day 1. The jury is still out on Tannehill. This is a risky pick taking him that high. He better produce at a high level or it will end up being a terrible pick.
     
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    Ryan Leaf didn't fail because he lacked talent or the mental capacity to grasp an NFL offense. He failed because he was arrogant, selfish and lazy. I haven't even heard a hint of that in regards to Tanehill.
     
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    "Ryan Leaf" and "intelligence" should not be used in the same sentence.
     
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    Didn't Leaf do very well on his wunderlick test?

    Part of his problem is that his egomaniacal, alchoholic, screw-up agent made him hold out as a rookie.

    Tannehill doesn't seem in any way to be like Leaf. Leaf was projected as THE top pick in the draft. He was a star in college. Tannehil played wideout for two years. He wasn't even the back-up QB.
     
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    as others have mentioned Leaf's biggest issue was his maturity. Hell, Leaf himself has said that he wishes that he had a strong mentor QB to help him out. Not every QB needs a mentor to sit behind, but sometimes you need one to show you how to conduct yourself.

    The 4 first round QBs are all very mature and love football. Plus they have high IQs. Hell, people make a big deal of Tanny being a WR, to me that makes him even more impressive that he is able to be a productive QB in a pro style offense as well as a WR in a pro style and not a spread or option offense.
     
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    Character. That's the difference.

    Leaf, to this day, is proving time an time again that he wasn't worthy of the NFL. I don't care about the rocket arm, size, or intelligence. If you are inclined to steal, cheat, and berate everyone in sight, I don't want you as the QB of my team.

    Tannehill hasn't had a hint of that. in fact, when asked to move to WR for the good of the team, he did so. Sure, he didn't agree with it, because he felt he was the best QB on the team. That's confidence. And this kid stayed late tO hone his ability, even after moving to WR. He's a worker, and a leader. I like him, and support him in Miami.
     

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