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Salguero: Parcells says Ireland in charge of 09, 11, 12 drafts...

LOL

This moron wanted Long over an elite franchise QB...

Jeff sucks but come on now...Parcells ****ed that pick up.
 
It was the right call at the time.

It never is the right call.

Franchise QB tops everything in the NFL.

I'm still pissed off about it...Partly due to the fact that I was at BC and saw Matt Ryan from the front row at the 40 yard line each home game...Knew then he would be a stud in the league. :(

Also, check the trajectory of the Falcons vs the Dolphins...They make the playoffs...We define mediocrity.

Too many people on this site are content with mediocrity.
 
It never is the right call.

Franchise QB tops everything in the NFL.

I'm still pissed off about it...Partly due to the fact that I was at BC and saw Matt Ryan from the front row at the 40 yard line each home game...Knew then he would be a stud in the league. :(

Also, check the trajectory of the Falcons vs the Dolphins...They make the playoffs...We define mediocrity.

Too many people on this site are content with mediocrity.

Yeah, and you like to bore all of Finheaven with this BS statement about 1000 times a year. You actually think fans are content with losing football? :bobdole:
 
I loved the comment that Parcells' two Super Bowl wins were lucky. Seriously, nobody bothered to challenge that? Beyond pathetic. It's a priceless butchering of history. We hate Parcells so we are determined to rewrite his career.

The NFC was full of land mines in that era. Stacked franchises, pre salary cap. You had to be a monster team to merely get to the conference championship game, let alone win two more games. The Giants admirably climbed the ladder, winning a wild card game in both 1984 and 1985 before losing soundly on the road against two of the awesome teams in NFL history, the 1984 49ers and 1985 Bears. But they had battled defensively in those two losses, and by 1986 it was their turn. New York embarrassed the 49ers 49-3 in the divisional playoffs, the worst loss of Montana and Walsh's career. They shut out Joe Gibbs when he was in the prime of his first stint with the Redskins, 17-0. Then the Giants overcame an inspired first half by Elway to rout the Broncos in the second half, for a 39-20 final.

So that's a playoff tally of 105-23, no game closer than 17 points.

Yep, looks lucky to me. That's the way I remember it, as I cashed those tickets.

BTW, Caesar's Palace had a monumental screw up on the eve of that 1986 Giants/Redskins game. Somehow they goofed and put the money line in the box where the -110 juice should have been in the computer. The spread was supposed to be -7.5 with -110 juice on both sides, like any normal game. But at Caesar's Palace for a few hours it was Giants -7.5 -340 and Redskins +7.5 +280. They were giving you the money line (straight up) price of +280 on the Redskins, along with the +7.5 points. One guy discovered it and mentioned it to us. Naturally, we loaded up on the Redskins +7.5 +280 and then scalped the heck out of it. There were some joints at -7 flat so we were taking +7.5 +280 and giving -7 -110. Caesar's finally figured it out but they were stuck. I don't know what they would have done if the Redskins covered but they ended up raking in all the cash because all that extra money on the Redskins went down the toilet. That's just one of hundreds of gaffes I've seen at Nevada sportsbooks so it's always a treat when posters on this site or elsewhere want to pretend the sportsbooks have inside info, or some type of magical knowledge. They have power ratings and most of the time they put the related numbers on the board without botching it.

I was paying attention in 1986 to the point I remember the details 26 years later. It didn't occur to me I should be looking for reasons to declare Parcells lucky. Oh yeah, Jerry Rice dropped a long touchdown in the opening minutes of the playoff opener. Make that 49-10.

In 1990 the Giants were so extraordinarily fortunate they lost their starting quarterback late in the regular season. Had to travel to the 2-time defending champion 49ers in the NFC title game. After shutting down that great offense and winning via a late gutsy drive and field goal, the Giants were 7.5 point underdogs in the Super Bowl. Instead of getting into the intended shoot out with their backup quarterback, the Giants somehow fluked more than 40 minutes of possession against the Bills. One lucky first down run after another by Ottis Anderson.

There were betting odds on the last second field goal, BTW. Not odds on the board but sharp guys were dealing it among themselves, just like always. It was less than 50/50. Given the situation it had to be less than 50/50. I remember wanting to bet the No but I couldn't get the price I wanted. But nowadays I guess we're supposed to backfit and believe that kick was a cinch.

If those two seasons and teams were identical other than Dolphins as champs and not the Giants, we would herald them as legendary. Instead, they're lucky. :lol:
 
I loved the comment that Parcells' two Super Bowl wins were lucky. Seriously, nobody bothered to challenge that? Beyond pathetic. It's a priceless butchering of history. We hate Parcells so we are determined to rewrite his career.

The NFC was full of land mines in that era. Stacked franchises, pre salary cap. You had to be a monster team to merely get to the conference championship game, let alone win two more games. The Giants admirably climbed the ladder, winning a wild card game in both 1984 and 1985 before losing soundly on the road against two of the awesome teams in NFL history, the 1984 49ers and 1985 Bears. But they had battled defensively in those two losses, and by 1986 it was their turn. New York embarrassed the 49ers 49-3 in the divisional playoffs, the worst loss of Montana and Walsh's career. They shut out Joe Gibbs when he was in the prime of his first stint with the Redskins, 17-0. Then the Giants overcame an inspired first half by Elway to rout the Broncos in the second half, for a 39-20 final.

So that's a playoff tally of 105-23, no game closer than 17 points.

Yep, looks lucky to me. That's the way I remember it, as I cashed those tickets.

BTW, Caesar's Palace had a monumental screw up on the eve of that 1986 Giants/Redskins game. Somehow they goofed and put the money line in the box where the -110 juice should have been in the computer. The spread was supposed to be -7.5 with -110 juice on both sides, like any normal game. But at Caesar's Palace for a few hours it was Giants -7.5 -340 and Redskins +7.5 +280. They were giving you the money line (straight up) price of +280 on the Redskins, along with the +7.5 points. One guy discovered it and mentioned it to us. Naturally, we loaded up on the Redskins +7.5 +280 and then scalped the heck out of it. There were some joints at -7 flat so we were taking +7.5 +280 and giving -7 -110. Caesar's finally figured it out but they were stuck. I don't know what they would have done if the Redskins covered but they ended up raking in all the cash because all that extra money on the Redskins went down the toilet. That's just one of hundreds of gaffes I've seen at Nevada sportsbooks so it's always a treat when posters on this site or elsewhere want to pretend the sportsbooks have inside info, or some type of magical knowledge. They have power ratings and most of the time they put the related numbers on the board without botching it.

I was paying attention in 1986 to the point I remember the details 26 years later. It didn't occur to me I should be looking for reasons to declare Parcells lucky. Oh yeah, Jerry Rice dropped a long touchdown in the opening minutes of the playoff opener. Make that 49-10.

In 1990 the Giants were so extraordinarily fortunate they lost their starting quarterback late in the regular season. Had to travel to the 2-time defending champion 49ers in the NFL title game. After shutting down that great offense and winning via a late gutsy drive and field goal, the Giants were 7.5 point underdogs in the Super Bowl. Instead of getting into the intended shoot out with their backup quarterback, the Giants somehow fluked more than 40 minutes of possession against the Bills. One lucky first down run after another by Ottis Anderson.

There were betting odds on the last second field goal, BTW. Not odds on the board but sharp guys were dealing it among themselves, just like always. It was less than 50/50. Given the situation it had to be less than 50/50. I remember wanting to bet the No but I couldn't get the price I wanted. But nowadays I guess we're supposed to backfit and believe that kick was a cinch.

If those two seasons and teams were identical other than Dolphins as champs and not the Giants, we would herald them as legendary. Instead, they're lucky. :lol:

He should get credit for what he did with the Giants, the job he and Belicheck did with the Giants was quite amazing , his dolphin tenure along with some of his others not so much
 
Is it really worth the time and effort to compare dog **** against cat ****?
 
So here's what we know Through all the stories that have been leaked.

1.The 2008 draft was Bill Parcells, but initially he favored Chris Long over Jake Long but Ireland favored Jake. Parcells gave Ireland a deadline to sign Jake before the draft and if it didn't happen he was drafting Chris.

2.In the 2008 draft Parcells and then-OL coach were in love with the potential of Utah State OG Shawn Murphy and traded up in the 4th to get him. The RG position in 08 was in constant flux after Donald Thomas got hurt week 1, and Murphy (despite being there the entire training camp) was passed on the depth chart by guards picked off the street. He was then cut in 2009.

3.Ireland was in charge for the 2009 draft but Parcells wanted Pat White.

4.During the 2009 draft, Ireland worked out a trade with Jacksonville; a conditional 7th round pick for Tony McDaniel. Parcells was upset that Ireland traded a pick and told him he had to get another pick via trade.

5. Parcells took over during the 2010 draft, but Ireland made the Marshall trade. During the first round we had a future All-Pro, and a huge need, in Earl Thomas staring us in the face, but Parcells takes a fairly light trade from San Diego (2nd, swapping 4ths, and Tim Dobbins) to move back in the draft. We end up with a solid but nothing special Jared Odrick and Koa Misi.

6. In a deep TE draft, Parcells doesn't draft a TE despite us not having one after Fasano.

7.Ireland was in charge during 2011 draft. Honestly, outside of Clyde Gates (who most liked at the time) it wasn't a terrible draft. Probably gave up a little too much to get Daniel Thomas and we learnt that Jimmy Wilson can't cover but can blitz.

8. 2012 draft we waited too long to draft a WR. Egnew hasn't done anything either, but not gonna give up on him yet.
 
i could care less....both of them could have drafted better in their lead drafts.
 
To think we all celebrated when Wayne was able to convince Parcells not to take the Atlanta job and come here instead. We all laughed at the Falcons pathetic organization and prepared for impending SB titles. They then got the "consolation" prize, Thomas Dimitroff.
 
I loved the comment that Parcells' two Super Bowl wins were lucky. Seriously, nobody bothered to challenge that? Beyond pathetic. It's a priceless butchering of history. We hate Parcells so we are determined to rewrite his career.

The NFC was full of land mines in that era. Stacked franchises, pre salary cap. You had to be a monster team to merely get to the conference championship game, let alone win two more games. The Giants admirably climbed the ladder, winning a wild card game in both 1984 and 1985 before losing soundly on the road against two of the awesome teams in NFL history, the 1984 49ers and 1985 Bears. But they had battled defensively in those two losses, and by 1986 it was their turn. New York embarrassed the 49ers 49-3 in the divisional playoffs, the worst loss of Montana and Walsh's career. They shut out Joe Gibbs when he was in the prime of his first stint with the Redskins, 17-0. Then the Giants overcame an inspired first half by Elway to rout the Broncos in the second half, for a 39-20 final.

So that's a playoff tally of 105-23, no game closer than 17 points.

Yep, looks lucky to me. That's the way I remember it, as I cashed those tickets.

BTW, Caesar's Palace had a monumental screw up on the eve of that 1986 Giants/Redskins game. Somehow they goofed and put the money line in the box where the -110 juice should have been in the computer. The spread was supposed to be -7.5 with -110 juice on both sides, like any normal game. But at Caesar's Palace for a few hours it was Giants -7.5 -340 and Redskins +7.5 +280. They were giving you the money line (straight up) price of +280 on the Redskins, along with the +7.5 points. One guy discovered it and mentioned it to us. Naturally, we loaded up on the Redskins +7.5 +280 and then scalped the heck out of it. There were some joints at -7 flat so we were taking +7.5 +280 and giving -7 -110. Caesar's finally figured it out but they were stuck. I don't know what they would have done if the Redskins covered but they ended up raking in all the cash because all that extra money on the Redskins went down the toilet. That's just one of hundreds of gaffes I've seen at Nevada sportsbooks so it's always a treat when posters on this site or elsewhere want to pretend the sportsbooks have inside info, or some type of magical knowledge. They have power ratings and most of the time they put the related numbers on the board without botching it.

I was paying attention in 1986 to the point I remember the details 26 years later. It didn't occur to me I should be looking for reasons to declare Parcells lucky. Oh yeah, Jerry Rice dropped a long touchdown in the opening minutes of the playoff opener. Make that 49-10.

In 1990 the Giants were so extraordinarily fortunate they lost their starting quarterback late in the regular season. Had to travel to the 2-time defending champion 49ers in the NFC title game. After shutting down that great offense and winning via a late gutsy drive and field goal, the Giants were 7.5 point underdogs in the Super Bowl. Instead of getting into the intended shoot out with their backup quarterback, the Giants somehow fluked more than 40 minutes of possession against the Bills. One lucky first down run after another by Ottis Anderson.

There were betting odds on the last second field goal, BTW. Not odds on the board but sharp guys were dealing it among themselves, just like always. It was less than 50/50. Given the situation it had to be less than 50/50. I remember wanting to bet the No but I couldn't get the price I wanted. But nowadays I guess we're supposed to backfit and believe that kick was a cinch.

If those two seasons and teams were identical other than Dolphins as champs and not the Giants, we would herald them as legendary. Instead, they're lucky. :lol:


Yea I think Parcells was an overrated Grocery Shopper...but a Hall of Fame level coach...if he were our coach we would've been better off. Unfortunately, his strategy for player acquisition was rooted in the model of players that made his teams in the 80s and early 90s so good without taking into account the new rules favoring the passing game and quicker players.

Very rarely do we make the argument that a team is "too soft", because frankly the rules tend to favor softer teams...they won't get as many huge 15 yard penalties etc.
 
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