It turned out to be bad but if they caught us off guard and convert the 1st down they win the game. The right thing to do would have been to take a sack if the play wasn't open
The Jets started at the 22, and with only 1:15 and no timeouts, I don't think it is likely. None of that would even matter had the Det kicker not gotten injured forcing a DT to attempt an extra point. Injuries are a part of the game, but for that to happen at that time in that situation was a lucky break. I do give the Jets credit for taking advantage of the opportunities that are given to them. The point is they don't even have a chance in a lot of those games if those kind of things don't happen. It happens to other teams as well. The Jets do not deserve credit for the other teams mistakes / misfortunes.
Interesting to watch people interpret games from different points of view. The initial point of the thread was comparing the three qb's in the division who are not named Tom Brady, who is pretty unanimously considered the best in the division, if not the whole league. I think it goes without saying that Fitz played better than henne and Sanchez, and I don't think it is too far fetched to say that Henne played a better game than Sanchez. I am a Jets fan, and i know it sounds a little skewed based on stat lines, but the fact of the matter is, I think you have to consider expectations as well since we only have 1 game to go on. With back to back title appearances, and very talented weapons at his disposal, I think MS failed to perform in the opportunities he was provided. Dallas loaded up to stop our prolific running attack, and left Mark with favorable matchups all over the field, and he failed to deliver. Henne was in a different situation all together. Nobody really knows what to make of Miami's questionable decisions about their running game, so naturally NE came in and went after Henne pretty wildly. I think Henne did about as well as could be expected considering how poorly the run game produced even though NE didn't pay any special attention to it. I will concede that out of all QB's in our division, Sanchez definately is bringing up the rear in week 1.
The rest of this talk about last years games and breaks for or against certain teams is largely skewed depending on what team you root for. You can generally look at any team and see breaks for and against both, and by the end of the game it is always very close. The situation I quoted above is a very good example of it. You argue that the Jets got a tremendous break that the kicker was injured and now Suh has to kick an extra point and he misses it making it a 3 point game. By that logic, you have to subtract 3 more points because if the kicker doesn't get hit and injured, he kicks the field goal he lined up for. He doesn't get the penalty call giving Detroit the first down and resulting touchdown.
You don't know it, but you are agreeing with me. Go back and read my post #136 and you will see that we agree that Sanchez crossed the goal line at around the 3:00 mark. The Jets only had 1 timeout and the Loins should have had the ball with (according to you 2:48 left). They would have been able to take it to the 2 minute warning before 3rd down. You are not taking into account any time for the Lions 1st and 2nd down plays. According to the play by play, the 1st down play (-2 yard run) took 4 seconds before the Jets could call a TO. The 2nd down play took 7 seconds. It does not show that in the play by play because it went to the 2 minute warning, but if you watch the game, you will see that. 2:48 minus 11 seconds (Det 1st and 2nd down play) equals 2:37. A play clock runs for 40 seconds easily getting to the 2 min warning before 3rd down. With a Det run the Jets would have had the ball with under 1 minute to play no timeouts.
14 seconds is wrong. They would not have had any time left at all. I did not take into account the 14 seconds that it took for Det to punt the ball. They would have had no time left at all. Thanks for pointing that out.
You can't automatically put the Jets on the Det 43 with 40 seconds left. It took them 51 seconds to go from their own 22 to their own 44. It would have been very different had they only had under a minute to work with rather than the 1:40 they had (due to the stupid call by Det) Had Det ran the ball on 3rd down, it would have put the Jets on their own 22 with under a minute to play. If they made the same exact plays (which is not likely as things are much differnet with less time) that would put them on their own 44 with just a few seconds left. I doubt the Jets would be dumping short to LT with 8 or 9 seconds left in the game. Without the penalty they would have been on the Det 43 with no time left on the clock. Again, they needed those things to happen, or they don't win. The situation is a little different seeing as how you have a SP winning QB who knows that if the play is not there to take a sack, and not a back up QB like Det had. Still a gutsy call, but not as bad when you consider who is behind center.
Was it a bad call by Det?
Here's the trick to save 40 seconds. Never call a TO if the game clock shows between 2:41-2:45 and a new play clock just started. Here:
1st down, 2:48 left. Run takes 4 seconds off, Jets SAVE the TO
Time left 2:44, play clock 40 seconds.
2nd down play snaps at 2:04, run takes off 4 seconds. 2 min warning. Jets still have one TO.
3rd down play snaps at 2:00, takes off 5 seconds, Jets call their third TO. Time remaining 1:55, just like how it actually was.
This scenario becomes invalid. See my above explanation.
Absolutely. But Jets weren't lucky that Detriot called that play, cuz the refs cost the Jets 40 seconds prior to that.
I don't think there's much doubt Fitzpatrick is the 2nd best QB in the AFCE right now.
After 2 weeks? Absolutely, he's played great BUT let's not crown him just yet. You played 2 mediocre-bad teams and Fitz has never played w/ playoff pressure, we know Sanchez can handle it but Fitz has never played in a big game before. We'll see if he gets to this year.
I think its safe to say Henne is the worst starting QB in the AFC East.
Not necessarily. Put him on the Jests, and he probably does as well as Sanchez, maybe even a little better.
Sanchez sucked Week 1 against a decent Dallas team, and you beat up on the QB-less Jags yesterday. The Jests managed what, 2 TDs and a bunch of FGs?
Fitz threw of 3 TDs yesterday, and he led the Bills to 5 TDs on all 5 of their second half possessions, including the 80 yard winning TD drive with time running out in which he made 2 4th down passes to keep the drive alive. He was clutch.
BTW, he's not only the 6th rated passer, but he's tied with Brady with 7 TDs and 1 INT. Your boy Sanchez hasn't put 2 games like that together in his career.
Not a chance, what you guys fail to realize is this isn't video game football where the conditions are pristine. Playing QB here is dealing w/ expectations to win, dealing w/ the media, dealing w/ an unforgiving fanbase, playing and performing against top competition. Fitz has been better through 2 weeks w/o a doubt but he's faced the Raiders and Chiefs, let's see Fitz perform in a big game in dec/Jan if he plays in any big games. Henne looks gfood until there is pressure to win then he folds, sanchez does not. he may have bad games once in a while but the man makes plays to win. That doesn't show up in the fantasy #s. Could henne or fitz play on the Jets w/ the expectations and pressure to win? I know Henne can't, I'm not sure about Fitz b/c he has never played in a big game.
He didn't suck against dallas, he kept us in the game. He didn't come throuhg late like he has so often before but that is very different from sucking.
Sanchez last threw 3 TDs IN THE DIVISIONAL ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS on the ROAD at 14-2 NEW ENGLAND. I don't care about #s though, it's about helping your team win, Fitz has done an outstanding job the first 2 weeks. he was great yesterday, let's see what happens when he steps up in competition and maybe plays a big game for the first time in his career. I get that you guys haven't had anything to get excited about in a long time but hold off on the Fitz stuff.
By the way, Last year in wees 2 & 3 sanchez had back to back 3 TD games w/ NO INTs leading us to a 14 pt win over NE and an 8 pt road win over Miami. That's better than this 2 game stretch for Fitz.